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#144933 - 05/16/05 07:49 PM Hung Gar
Stampede Offline
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Registered: 04/08/04
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Loc: El Dorado, AR
Any Hung Family practitioners on the forum?

Lord knows I'm not one, just figured I'd take a stab at being first on the forum.
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#144934 - 05/17/05 02:31 AM Re: Hung Gar [Re: Stampede]
ButterflyPalm Offline
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Registered: 08/26/04
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Loc: Malaysia

Hi! Tung Mun Si Heng. In cantonese, 'Brother of the same Clan'

Just to get the conversation going, how old are you; just to see if I should address you as 'si heng', 'si dai', 'si sook', or 'si bak' I am 57.

So have you done the forms with 4 iron rings on each hand and after four forms in four directions punch out a candle? on the first punch?

What is you favourite animal? My is the snake, because of the ability to slip into, around, along an attacking hand and strike at the throat with the extended fingers.

What other chinese arts you do?

Hung gar is a very hard style. What are the conditioning you do? I did a lot of forearm conditiong in my younger days. The logic being that if you can intimidate with a really hard and painful (for your opponent) block, half the fight is won.

Lets talk some more later.

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#144935 - 05/17/05 09:56 AM Re: Hung Gar [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Me, I'm only 21. Not a Hung Gar practitioner, though I've enjoyed watching demonstrations thereof, and speaking with it's practitioners.
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#144936 - 05/17/05 08:49 PM Re: Hung Gar [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Hello ButterflyPalm.

I've been studying choy li fut tor 13 years now. We have some elements of hung gar handed down through the lineage.
Conditioning of the forearms and shins is done every class. I had no doubt that my instuctor could break my arm with a block.
I like the snake too. How it stares right through you. Plus of it's speed. The same reasons you mentioned about the throat.
Were not has hard of style as hung gar.
Nice to hear from other kung fu people.

Kevin

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#144937 - 05/18/05 02:26 AM Re: Hung Gar [Re: pathfinder7195]
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pathfinder.

Choy Li Fut is famous for the straight arm figure-of-eight swing crushing down from above. I have known CLF people who train just that for years holding those old fashioned 'kettle bell' weights and with good forearm conditioning, not many people like to block that.

What is your favourite weapon? For me its what many people consider the 'king of weapons' -- the spear. It is actually two weapons in one, a long stick with a dagger in either one or both ends. It has speed, length, and the ability to 'slip' through tiny openings of opportunity.

Do you do dynamic tension forms in CLF?

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#144938 - 05/18/05 06:40 AM Re: Hung Gar [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Registered: 05/03/05
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Loc: POM, Monterey CA
Butterfly, I want to thank you for that. My instructor has us train with dynamic tension in our forms sometimes, now I know where that came from.

As I've posted before, my style is American Kenpo Karate. However, my sifu favors the chinese roots of the style. (I'm not getting into a debate over Chow's training, let's just leave it as an established fact that many arts that have Japanese roots also have Chinese influence on them.) I've studied/practiced for six years in that style. I've been doing weapons since I was nine (western fencing/swordfighting).

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#144939 - 05/18/05 11:25 PM Re: Hung Gar [Re: ButterflyPalm]
pathfinder7195 Offline
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Loc: T.C Michigan, U.S
Buttterfly

Hung gar and it's famous 12 bridges. We do have a couple of dynamic tension forms. I can still hear my instructor "do it again". Favourite weapon would be the hooking swords and chain whip. Not as practical as the spear. Many daily objects can be used like a spear for self defense. Do you do a lot of strikes with the inside of your forearm? My instructor liked to hit the throat with his forearm to set up a throw.

Kevin

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#144940 - 05/20/05 12:14 AM Re: Hung Gar [Re: Stampede]
the_war_palm Offline
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Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 1
Just sayin hello to fellow Hung brothers and sisters.

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#144941 - 05/20/05 03:20 AM Re: Hung Gar [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
ButterflyPalm Offline
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Registered: 08/26/04
Posts: 2637
Loc: Malaysia


It is a habit of many chinese systems, not just Hung gar, to intersperse some slow dynamic tension aspects in the middle of a fast form. When it happens, it means that that particular section of the form has reached some joint-locking, grabbling application, because you need 'dynamic' strength to apply it in combat, as opposed to striking which has to be fast and furious.

There are of course 'pure' dynamic tension forms to strengthen the joints, tendons and to strengthen muscles without adding too much bulk, which will slow you down and impede flexibility. These pure tension forms (done at half tension only with co-ordinated breathing patterns) are meant to 'gather' the chi so that it can be applied in the normal combat forms at the advanced level; this is usually the 'secret' part of the syllabus in many chinese systems.

It is interesting to note that in most systems (including the karate systems) the tension is done on the out-breath; but in Bak Mei (White Eye-Brow) the tension is done on the in-breath. I did some experiment and found that the Bak Mei system is actually more effective in 'gathering' the chi and spiralling it into the bone.

However just doing the tension forms, without any 'gathering' of chi will still do you a lot of good; which is why many 'out-door' students thought that that is all there is to it.


Pathfinder.

Yeah, without conditioning the inside of the forearms, many techniques in Hung gar are quite useless and even dangerous to you. But the forearms (inside and out) when properly conditioned are almost as good as carrying two baseball bats.

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#144942 - 05/23/05 08:37 PM Re: Hung Gar [Re: Stampede]
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Registered: 12/18/04
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Loc: DALLAS TX BABY
Thats because Bak Mei is more of an internal art, based off a combination of Daoist and Buddhist principles. Where areas the chi gong in Hung Gar is more external (external elixir) and buddhist oriented.
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