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Ok, look at it like this, most forms of classical jujutsu only included empty hand fighting as PART of the currculum.

(another part is wide range of striking and kicking skills)

The other parts would have been the use of varity of weapons, and defense vs weapons--neither of which is GENERALLY considered at all in "sport" judo or sport MMA.

Kinda gives a whole new meaning to "dangerous" techniques.

So, would you care to match with me?
Me using my knife, which my ryu teachs me to use--and you get to use your empty hands, which is what "sport" judo and the vast majority of MMA schools teach.

But that should be no problem for a person that has trained vs a "fully resistant" oppt--right

All kidding aside, all arts have their weakness, if you look a the history of judo you will find that Kano also seems to have elimnated stikeing and kicking from his art--in point of fact the early judo guys DID train in such, its just that since matchs did not allow them to use such training, it kinda fell away from the main stream.

Kinda funny when you think about it--both English "Boxing" and Japanese Judo served a the basis for modern MMA matchs--but BOTH, had over the years taken an art that USED to have exactly the skills needed for MMA matchs, the skills were lost over time, then had to be REINTRODUCED in order to have MMA matchs.

I guess everything old really is new again.

eyrie

Kano also sent some his guys to Ueshiba to learn Aikido techniques.

The roster of famous jujutsu masters that taught at the Kodokan in the early days reads like a "Who's Who" of period jujutsu's experts.

CXT & eyrie, you are both right.

Kano was a thoughtful, open minded gentleman. He actually called aikido "the ultimate budo" after seeing a demonstration and sent a few of his most accomplsihed Kodokan judoka to study with Ueshiba.

From my minimal Jujutsu experience, I can pick out one technique which can't be practiced live. Wrist throws can't be practised live because they are actually not really throws. They're wrist breaks taken through the complete range of motion. You have to dive roll out of them to train and so you don't risk injury you should inform your partner of what move you are doing before-hand. If used "for real" the opponent shouldn't even leave the ground, their wrist should just be dislocated. Am I right?

Yes and no, some of the wrist manipulations common in aikido/hapkido/jujitsu will take the person down along with the joint damage. To do tha,t the most important part is the footwork. I can only speak to this from a Hapkido standpoint, but when I have seen the other arts mentioned the moves are similar (there is a common historical thread to them so it would make sense).

On the original point of RL effectiveness, I had the pleasure of working doors with two Judoka of dan grades (3rd and 4th respectively) and have to say that they absolutely owned every confrontational situation I saw them in. The ability to take an aggressors balance, use their clothing to your advantage, and my christ their grip!! I would say Judo is most definately an applicable skill set outside of the sport environment.

"(Moderator note) Since there are children on this forum please keep it profesional. Omitted offesive wording. Ed"

-Ed I hate to sound rude, but I seriosuly hope you were not filtering that [censored] from me. I'm not a 'Kid', filtering stuff like that from ANY kids is not going to do [censored], nothing is stopping them from typing 'free porn' into any search engine. Honestly, leave it up there all it does is make Hedge look rude.

-Mist, for hating to sound rude, you seem quite versed at it.

The job of the moderators on this site is to keep the discussions on track and civil. Omitting offensive wording from posts is part of that job. Did he say "because Mist is a kid, I'm filtering this"? No, he said there are children on this site, do not take a comment that was not even close to being directed at you as a personal insult. "Free porn" has nothing to do with Fightingarts.com. This is not the rest of the internet, this is a personal site and we do what we are told to by the administrators of this site, and that involves what I have said before.

I had the option of deleting the whole post but decided on the action I took. Everyone can contribute in a professional manner, and still get their points across without using degratory words.
Ed