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#144883 - 05/30/05 11:12 PM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: Hedgehogey]
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judo can be effective in the streets, why not?
aside its sportive side ,it has a good self defense aspect as well.
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#144884 - 06/01/05 07:02 AM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: Nagamaki]
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Judo is definately effective in a self-defense encounter. But you have to remember, there are many elements to a fight - Punching, kicking, grapping, weapons and everything in-between.

A good throw can end a fight. But so can a good punch if you get caught with one. Judo students typically only learn to throw with the gi. What if your opponent is wearing a t-shirt, or no shirt? Your opponent pulls a knife?

The key to defending yourself is really learning how to apply your art (Judo or otherwise) in a variety of situations. And for self-defense, you really should learn a variety of skills.

And most importantly, it comes down to the individual. The techniques of Judo ARE effective. Whether or not YOU can use them (or have been taught to use them) effectively is another story.

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#144885 - 06/02/05 07:28 AM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: Ed Glasheen]
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Thinking about it, I think Judo would be better for the street than BJJ because of Judo's priority on throwing. Where as BJJ is takedown to ground. I have known of a few Judoka who did well in a street fight. Ed




Yes but doesn't BJJ train strickes as well?

Its designed for one on one fighting in the Octocon, however doesn't it prepare you to fight against the stricker?

Just my thoughts.
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#144886 - 06/03/05 12:21 PM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: Hedgehogey]
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Judo is a watered down sport version of older Japanese grappling arts. The most dangerious techniques were intentionally removed by Kano for safety reasons. Is Judo going to teach you skills that will give you advantages in a street fight? Absolutely. Will it be as effective as the older Jujutsu, Aikijujutsu , Hapkido or Aikido? Probably not given they are all intended for real combat situations and Judo is not.

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#144887 - 06/03/05 04:12 PM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: Subedei]
MiSt Offline
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Judo is a watered down sport version of older Japanese grappling arts. The most dangerious techniques were intentionally removed by Kano for safety reasons. Is Judo going to teach you skills that will give you advantages in a street fight? Absolutely. Will it be as effective as the older Jujutsu, Aikijujutsu , Hapkido or Aikido? Probably not given they are all intended for real combat situations and Judo is not.




Funny how these 'deadly' arts GENERALLY speaking are not trained against fully resisting opos and Judo is.
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#144888 - 06/03/05 04:31 PM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: MiSt]
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Not so funny. Judo was specifically designed so that you could train "alive" and not kill someone.

You could have 2 Hapkidoka, aikidoka, jujutsuka agree to train with each other, but not use their dangerous or deadly techniques. Of course then they would be doing Judo

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#144889 - 06/05/05 08:35 PM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: BuDoc]
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So you are saying because we only make light contact with our strikes, don't practice dangerious takedowns full speed and push past instead of through on our breaks as well as practicing pressure point attacks, numerous weapons, weapon disarms including firearms and defense against multiple opponents in addition to practicing every technique within Judo just as "live" as you do, somehow none of these additional techniques exist at all?

I'm not saying Judo is a bad or in any way inneffective art. I'm saying it was designed for a sport environment and as such thrives in that environment best.

Use your Judo techniques for self defense, they're great techniques! Keep practicing Judo! Just realize that expanding upon that core Judo training is going to prepare you much better for a dangerious confrontation.

And so to summarize: Yes, the core of basically all these arts is identical to Judo, they simply include other things as well that are specifically geared towards a self defense confuntation rather than a competitive one.

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#144890 - 06/05/05 10:12 PM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: Subedei]
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I personally like judo because the original style incorporated devastating throws, joint locks and chokes. The downfall to this is the lack of self defense. Yes, some of these aspects were removed accordingly as it became a sport. Let's remember also that most martial arts are derived from an original art of jujitsu. I am personally fortunate enough to have a sensei trained not only in judo, but several other forms of martial arts. Thus our martial art is aptly named Kenage (kennage or "fist throw"). This combines the original devastation of judo attacks as well as the defense of blocks and attacks of strikes (kicks and punches etc...). I think the question of one's personal style should be considered when studying the arts (whatever works best for you / whatever your best at). There is no rule that says you can train in only one form of art. Much has been wasted on argueing which art is the best which contradicts much teaching beyond physical force (your own pride is your enemy). Ironic though, that it is really all one art, isn't it?

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#144891 - 06/05/05 10:57 PM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: Subedei]
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So you are saying because we only make light contact with our strikes,




Your striking must .

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don't practice dangerious takedowns full speed




Well, that's kindof the whole point of Judo, that you CAN practice their throws full speed. "Dangerous" techniques are a fallacy, since the throws and joint locks in Judo and BJJ are only "safe" in that you are using a pad to cushion the impact and both partners agree to stop when one gives up. Remove these restrictions, and those "safe" techniques can seriously injure at the least.

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and push past instead of through on our breaks




Don't be a , just tell us wether or not you actually spar to submission.

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as well as practicing pressure point attacks, numerous weapons, weapon disarms including firearms and defense against multiple opponents




It's like a list of every bad idea in martial arts ever.

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in addition to practicing every technique within Judo just as "live" as you do, somehow none of these additional techniques exist at all?




Really? Do you actually spar to Ippon?

How, for instance, do you counter a double leg takedown? Can you name a single open or butterfly guard pass? How do you hold kesa gatame on someone who's trying to sneak his knee under your back and get his hooks in for backmount? Can you offbalance in all eight directions? How about escaping mount? All of these are things found in judo (though some will be more emphasized and sophisticated in BJJ).

And if what you do "contains" everything in judo, why are you not entering judo tournaments?

(Moderator note) Since there are children on this forum please keep it profesional. Omitted offesive wording. Ed


Edited by Ed Glasheen (06/09/05 04:30 PM)

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#144892 - 06/07/05 01:17 PM Re: is judo street and combat effective [Re: Subedei]
KiDoHae Offline
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Registered: 06/29/04
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Judo is a watered down sport version of older Japanese grappling arts. The most dangerious techniques were intentionally removed by Kano for safety reasons. Is Judo going to teach you skills that will give you advantages in a street fight? Absolutely. Will it be as effective as the older Jujutsu, Aikijujutsu , Hapkido or Aikido? Probably not given they are all intended for real combat situations and Judo is not.




Actually, I thnik you need to check up on your history a bit. There are several outstanding books on Kano and how he developed judo. The fact that he eliminated some of the more "damaging" aspects of jujutsu does necessarliy translate to "watered down". Also, the concept of it being a "sport" in Japan is nothing like the western idea of what a sport is. Post-Olympic Judo is quite a bit different than what Kano developed and ultimately became Kodokan Judo. Is it still a formidable martial art? You bet ya.

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