Apeus is right, there's too much 'tricking' and olympic style sparring around. If you get me, or Apeus I suspect, in a fight we'll smash your kneecap or break your leg. That's what we train for. Apart from taking out your legs, we'll use sidekicks to keep our distance when we need to, and use hand strikes for everything else.

Good Taekwon-do practitioners are well aware of how vulnerable high kicks are. So we don't tend to use them. Smash someone's kneecap and they drop. Doesn't matter how drugged-up they are or how tough.

So, good TKD practitioners are good. Bad practitioners are bad. Just like any martial arts. Also, on the point of a lack of ground fighting, this is correct. However, TKD is inevitably combined with Hapkido somewhere down the road (ask most high Dan trainers), and Hapkido is very effective for ground fighting.

Sanchin you really are an idiot, Robot suggested that I had fought 27 guys in one night, i said that was false I recorded my tournaments of the course of 6 weeks, , he said he should have realized that, and I joked by saying 27 in one night would make me a ROBOT , jeez man, read the post before you accuseing me of being a virtual tough guy...

While we've seen TKDists beaten several times on video under all sorts of rules, nevertheless I have to say that our friend Nutrider Mcgillicuddy here, is probably trying to siphon off some of the glory from MMA. See, you occasionally find these people claiming absurd fight records in things like "The UFC fight thing". When they find out you actually train and compete, they'll give you this patheticomic expression that's suitable for framing.

That, or he's just trolling.

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Good Taekwon-do practitioners are well aware of how vulnerable high kicks are. So we don't tend to use them. Smash someone's kneecap and they drop. Doesn't matter how drugged-up they are or how tough.

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This is one of those MA urban legends, like driving pieces of nose cartilage into the brain, or the "death touch".

Look, I do muay thai. We block kicks WITH our knee. We WANT people to kick at our kneecaps (the thigh is much more vulnerable).

I can accept that you may injure the ACL of a fighting retard by kicking the side of their knee.

But a side kick to the kneecap? A dog turd in your tea, good sir.

I seriously think the person that even starts a topic with asking "TKD vs JKD" (pick the styles of your choice) should be banned.

(judo + ju jitsu make an excellent combo in general imo)

I've been sidekicked in the knee twice. The first time it tore the cartilage in my knee and I had to have surgery. Immediately after it happened I was able to stand but could not bend my knee and could not move. The second time I was blocking a back kick with my knee. It struck the top of the kneecap and dropped me. After several weeks of limping I went to a physical therapist who found that my kneecap had been shifted out of the groove that it moves up and down in. It also put small cracks in the patella and it now has bone spurs on it. I was in therapy for several months to correct the problem.

I think I am fortunate. I hapen to train at a TKD Dojang that focus's on both Olympic and traditional. Sure it is called a WTF sschool for sake of competition.

My master holds an 8th degree in TKD (not Olympic as he was 8th degree before Olympics) and 5th in HKD. As well as a certified trainer of Tai Chi.

Jujitsu is a different style of MA altogether. You can't match Indy Car against Nascar and have a fair race. The TKD practitioners you fight must not know the difference between comp and fighting.

No offense or not to knock your skills, but any "well-trained" TKD practitioner knows when and where to use certain styles of kicks. If they do jumping and spinning kicks in a MMA style of fight, well they deserve to lose.

BUT, I assure you, you get in a ring with one who knows the difference and you will see a completely different type of fighter. I have been accused of "not using TKD" in our own little "fight clubs." The only formal training I have had was TKD WTF and yet I know and understand how to fight a grappler. I may not be good enough to win a grapple match, but I know enough to make the grappler WORK for it.