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#143759 - 06/27/05 01:23 AM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: laf7773]
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Agreed. I think Bruce's best bet would have been for lower leg attacks, trying to take away his footwork and then structural stability.
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#143760 - 07/20/05 09:35 PM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: laf7773]
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Lee adviced Jabbar that his opponents would go for his feet. Lee countered a lead punch ith a sidekick to a knee in series called Longstreet. "It can be compared to left jab in boxing, yet is much more damaging"

Lee had utmost respect for boxers, especially Sugar Ray and Ali. Sugar Ray said that he did really dig Lee in Way of the Dragon. So they took stuff from each other. There is no proven connection between Lee and Ali, other than Lee incorporated some of the "the Ali shuffle" into his delivery system.

One of Lee's boxer students (the one with 90-0 wins in army or so) said, that "Lee would be killed in the ring by Ali, but it would be the other way on the street". I think this goes to "having no limitation as limitation", nut if Ali really had TKD-training, that would definitely had made the street match more interesting. But still, no rules + Bruce Lee was exactly what he was training for and could do it with frightening efficiency. No money for Ali from me in this case.

I bet that one eyejab from Bruce would have ended it, he penetrated full cans of Coke with one strike and could make it blindingly fast. In the boxing ring with boxing rules, it would had been a different story altogether. Lee was much smaller, with much less range with his weapons. Joe Lewis also stated that though Lee could well have been one of the top boxers with his boxing skills, he did not see Lee standing ten full boxing rounds during sparring. They didn't train like that. Lee also had tall neck, which is not a good attribute when one is taking a lot of hits to the head. So I think Lee would have been in trouble in the ring. Lee reportedly "trained" for a possible match between him and Ali during the shoot of Enter The Dragon.
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#143761 - 08/24/05 06:53 PM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: Chen Zen]
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This is a great topic. I think that I read that Bruce dreamed of actually fighting Ali, but he admitted that if Ali ever connected he would get "killed". Referring to their comparative sizes. Bruce's later footwork was most certainly learned from watching Ali move. Watch Way of the Dragon and then watch Ali, their footwork is so similar, BL obviously got it from Ali and Bruce's power is undeniable, he could move that giant 500-600 pound bag that hangs at Guro Inosanto's school, with his one inch punch. I think their speed was comparable, Bruce could take a quarter out of your hand and give you change before you could close it, and Ali would just devastate with his speed. Supposedly BL could bridge a 10 foot gap before someone could move to stop him. That's fast.
In Bruce's defense, he had a variety of tools and experiences that Ali didn't, namely the different strategies and philosphy that make up JKD. Ali had the experience of competition and the ability to take tremendous punishment. They just trained for totally different arenas. Still would've been a great matchup.

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#143762 - 08/25/05 10:34 AM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Bruce Lee was a great martial artist. He was not a fighter. HUGE difference between the two.

Ali was a battled test veteran of the ring, who had the ring savvy, experience, power and conditioning to hand Bruce is a$$ on a silver platter. Not to mention the weight advantage. The rules of a competition between them would go a long way in dictating who would win.

Even if you had put them in a ring/octagon and let them go at it UFC 1 style, Ali would have devasted Lee, kicks or no kicks. Think Johnny Rhodes vs Fred Ettish. The only chance Bruce would have had is if had he grappling skills.

I think JohnL said Bruce was never pressure tested against skilled fighters. This true. He trained with some great martial artists and fighters, but training isn't fighting.

There's a saying, "The myth is often bigger than the man". This is case with Bruce Lee. Too many people get wrapped up in the myth, and ignore the realities of the man.

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