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#143739 - 05/14/05 06:19 AM Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter?
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Recently Ive been watching a lot of classic boxing matches and have been paying a lot of attention to Ali in particular. Its easy to see why Bruce liked him so much. There footwork is almost identical. Bruce worked the jab alot, something Ali was famous for. Also, when watching Ali fight, you observe him gauging and tempting his opponent. He almost always waited for the opponent to strike before he began his attack often intercepting them or countering just a second later. He could also draw them too close with his footwork, leaving an excellent attack opportunity as the opponent moved forwards. If only he knew how to kick...
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#143740 - 05/15/05 06:34 AM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Ali actually had a black belt in TKD so he could kick!!!! I cant find proof of the blackbelt on the net, just saw it on a dvd about Ali. He was taught by TKD master Jhoon Rhee (search him and Ali to see proof of Alis links to TKD), who also crossed paths with Bruce Lee. He chose not to continue the TKD or kicking training to my knowledge. Perhaps he was a JKD practitioner and his interpretation was very different from most other peoples..... We can't say he wasnt an effective fighter.

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#143741 - 05/15/05 07:54 AM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: Ayub]
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He didn't need to kick.

His legs did EXACTLY what they were designed for him to do! The man was awesome! Its ashame the way his health has gone.

I never knew he trained in TKD or even crossed paths with Bruce...although I know Bruce admitted he would more than likely get creamed by Ali if they were to go at it!
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#143742 - 05/15/05 08:21 AM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: DragonFire1134]
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i thought ali has said the same?

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#143743 - 05/15/05 12:43 PM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: someotherguy]
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Interesting. I never knew about him and Jhoon Rhee. He was exceptional TKD artist, one that bruce respected highly. I'll have to look into that more. Its hard to say who would have won between the two. Given more options to work with Id have to give the edge to Bruce although Ali had powerful fists and used them well. What a match that could have been.
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#143744 - 05/17/05 02:51 AM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Ali was, at one point matched against Jim Kelly for an exhibition fight, but for various reasons it never happened. That would have been an interesting match.
Bruce said that for punching and timing he was a huge admirer of western boxing, as arguably the greatest exponent of queensbury rules, it is not so strange that Ali should display many of the aspects of the art that Bruce distilled into his style. Maybe the question should be, Bruce Lee...A flyweight boxer? Would have been great to see him fight within that environment, his speed and timing would have made him pretty good IMO
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#143745 - 05/18/05 12:13 AM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: Cord]
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He would have been good, but in my eyes one of the most striking aspects about Bruces abilities was his kicking speed and power. Not to take away from his boxing abilities at all, but he seemed to be able to crush a man to dust with a kick.
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#143746 - 05/18/05 06:21 PM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Interesting. I never knew about him and Jhoon Rhee. He was exceptional TKD artist, one that bruce respected highly. I'll have to look into that more. Its hard to say who would have won between the two. Given more options to work with Id have to give the edge to Bruce although Ali had powerful fists and used them well. What a match that could have been.




Wouldn't even have been close. Comparing BL with Ali is almost an insult to Ali. The man competed over decades in the heavyweight boxing division when there were good boxers around. He met all comers and beat them.

And you're comparing a 5' nothing guy who appeared in films and whose skills were not pressure tested against top fighters.

As I said. There's no comparison.
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#143747 - 05/18/05 11:37 PM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: JohnL]
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Well...

In a boxing match, I'd bet on Ali.
In a MMA match, I'd bet on Bruce.

Its pretty ignorant to dismiss Lee so quickly, I'm sorry.

It would have been an awesome match either way... wouldn't been easy on either one of them! I'm sure Ali wouldn't be "insulted" to have been compared to Mr. Lee.
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#143748 - 05/19/05 03:05 AM Re: Muhammad Ali...JKD fighter? [Re: JohnL]
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Quote:

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Interesting. I never knew about him and Jhoon Rhee. He was exceptional TKD artist, one that bruce respected highly. I'll have to look into that more. Its hard to say who would have won between the two. Given more options to work with Id have to give the edge to Bruce although Ali had powerful fists and used them well. What a match that could have been.




Wouldn't even have been close. Comparing BL with Ali is almost an insult to Ali. The man competed over decades in the heavyweight boxing division when there were good boxers around. He met all comers and beat them.

And you're comparing a 5' nothing guy who appeared in films and whose skills were not pressure tested against top fighters.

As I said. There's no comparison.




A insult to Ali, I think not. If anything it should be considered a compliment. Im sure he would have been honored to have a match with Bruce, or vice versa. Dont dismiss Bruces ability to generate power just because of his size. He did many studies with UCLA to prove the scientific effectiveness of his technique in regards to power and speed.

Also never pressure tested against skilled fighters? What about Jhoon Rhee, or Chuck Norris or Joe Lewis? Dan Inosant was a skilled MA before training with Bruce as well. What about his teacher, Yip Man? Or the famous Wong Jack Man confrontation? Surely any one of those men could be considered men of skill.
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