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#143065 - 06/27/05 01:03 PM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: Neko456]
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People always seem to debate who would "win" in a street fight (which discipline is toughest, etc.). Who knows?

That said, I was talking about conditioning - and how boxers seem to have much better conditioning game-plans than artial artists.

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#143066 - 06/27/05 06:39 PM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: Neko456]
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I disagree a boxer in a boxing ring maybe, but a boxer in a street fight or in free range fight. I think not.

Amature boxers at their range can be awesome, but in a dirty street fight they fight too clean.




Just disagree completely with this statement. It’s impossible to “know” how ALL the amateur boxers in the world are going to fight.



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#143067 - 06/27/05 09:36 PM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: JKogas]
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ok, i see where u r going. I do agree that boxing does provide a real solid foundation for a fighter and gives them invaluable skills. That's what i meant that is a good art to teach you to fight practically quickly.

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#143068 - 06/29/05 07:34 PM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: ta_kuan_dao]
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a lot of martial artists can advance, somewhat, without doing very much sparing and without developing real power. boxing training seems to be focused on those, so it is hard to practice more than a few months without being very aware of your power and skills. I know young black belts who have no real power and who have hardly sparred.

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#143069 - 07/01/05 12:55 PM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: globetrotter]
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Yes but it takes years before the boxer really starts developing skills, I mean they start with the baisc how to in the mirror stance, guards, strikes, movment. How to defend, how to throw combinations. There hands are not usually sharp precise until months down the road. They do spar full out, but that only sometimes enhances bad traits like looping and sloppy punches.

Most quailty Brown Belts of two years have power and speed can full contact spar at the various ranges (maybe not real well) but they can do it. Most 2 year old boxers have developed some fighting sklls but are far from being seasons and lack the conditioning of a season boxer.

I'd take the Brown belt in a street fight and the boxer in gloves in a boxing match. Not in a full range match knowing what to expect and how to react is an advantage.

Very rarely can you just box for a couple of months and be an effective fighter unless you were anyway. Because they know what to expect they won't let you spar until you gained some offensive and defensive skills. Although I did see Tex Cob's kid fight professionally with No skills on TV. He had been boxing for two years. He got mugged/TKOd in his 2nd fight, so I guess they do just turn you out.

A good Brown belt would beat him in or out of the ring or boxing gloves, I'd bet. I admitt swinging wildly is not boxing but thats what some 2yr old boxers do.
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#143070 - 07/01/05 01:04 PM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: JKogas]
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Jkaorg
Just disagree completely with this statement. It’s impossible to “know” how ALL the amateur boxers in the world are going to fight.

The same could be true of the Black Belts, if the amateur boxer has some streetfighting back ground he would think and fight differently. But if the Black belt had some boxing/street fighting experince so would he.

Boxing is a good sport that can work in the street at mid range. But it is limited by its own definition.

"All" is a big word, just like "If".


Edited by Neko456 (07/01/05 01:05 PM)

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#143071 - 07/08/05 10:14 AM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: Neko456]
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I disagree as well. Most boxers who have been training consistently for 2 years have a good solid foundation of the basics - and this goes a hell of a long way. Back to my original point - boxers tend to be in fantastic shape. Walk into any boxing gym and even if you're dealing with amateurs, you'll find athetes in superb shape. On average (in my opinion) many (or most) martial arts practioners are not in great shape. The proof: if you walk into any dojo or Tae Kwon Do gym, take a look at the physical makep of the people in the gym. Conditioning is a huge part of fighting - which is why boxing emphasizes this. I'm not sure why the martial arts don't.

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#143072 - 07/08/05 03:49 PM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: nlcounty89]
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Compare the boxers with the MAA or UFC practictioners both groups are preparing to fight and make money in their preferred events. Who would you choose in a street fight or no-rule fight. I'd take the MAA/UFC guy. Thats closer to comparing Apple to Apple.

The average TKD/Karate/Jujitsu guy is not preparing to compete for money and build a career with his skills, he out for above average Joe, fitness & confidence that he could defend himself if he had to.

The same is true for the Combat Martial artist guys they are training for real world stopping techniques, and may look like fat slobs but they can move like lightheavy weights, for a short spand of time.
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#143073 - 07/08/05 06:24 PM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: Neko456]
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Neko456 wrote:

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Jkaorg
Just disagree completely with this statement. It’s impossible to “know” how ALL the amateur boxers in the world are going to fight.




Quote:

The same could be true of the Black Belts, if the amateur boxer has some streetfighting back ground he would think and fight differently. But if the Black belt had some boxing/street fighting experince so would he.




Then they would be pretty much the same person wouldn’t they?

Neko456 wrote:
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Boxing is a good sport that can work in the street at mid range. But it is limited by its own definition.




Boxing is limited. Bad clinching, no kicking defense, no grappling. That said, their training is alive, the training demands conditioning, the sport is tough, leaving only tough guys to participate for the most part. Those are the kinds of things that aren’t present within a large percentage of typical dojos. Boxers would fare better than most.

-John

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#143074 - 07/09/05 09:19 AM Re: Boxing techniques [Re: JKogas]
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I'm not sure why discussing who would win in a "street fight" is important (?).
Re. the conditioning - boxing as a discipline demands top condioning. Why not the martial arts?
Also, I've seen plenty of UFC fighters gasping after a few minutes of fighting. Roy Jones never did that, even after 10 rounds.
What can we learn from boxing?

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