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#141153 - 05/15/05 10:05 PM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: Camilo_kun]
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#141154 - 05/16/05 12:27 AM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: Kintama]
Camilo_kun Offline
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Thanks, i forget the google translator
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#141155 - 05/16/05 12:52 AM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: IsshinRyuBoy]
nenipp Offline
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IRBoy says that shotokan karateka's punches are weak, aren't here any shotokan people to address that?
Although my experiance is small enough to disqualify me from speaking on this matter, I will still do so, explicitely from that small experiance:
During my years of training in MA, I've had the pleasure of training together with two shotokan stylists (one shodan and one 1.kyu).
Although the focus of their training was different from that of my own (and different from each other's too, come to think of it), both possessed (and for all I know, still possess) strong and fast punches!
Just my two cents...

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#141156 - 05/16/05 01:02 AM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: IsshinRyuBoy]
SANCHIN31 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/04
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i dont enter in tournaments and my sensei teachs me more katas and self-defense and not so much kumite...my friends of other styles, like shotokan, they enter in a lot of tournaments but they cant defend theirselves in a rlly street fighting and their punches are weak...if they like that way, what can i do...they like to use high and slow kicks while i prefer kicks on the knees and legs...




nenipp is right.There will be no art bashing on this forum in any way! Last warning Isshinryuboy. Don't reply,just comply!
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#141157 - 05/16/05 01:40 PM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: nenipp]
shotokanwarrior19 Offline
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Quote:

IRBoy says that shotokan karateka's punches are weak, aren't here any shotokan people to address that?
Although my experiance is small enough to disqualify me from speaking on this matter, I will still do so, explicitely from that small experiance:
During my years of training in MA, I've had the pleasure of training together with two shotokan stylists (one shodan and one 1.kyu).
Although the focus of their training was different from that of my own (and different from each other's too, come to think of it), both possessed (and for all I know, still possess) strong and fast punches!
Just my two cents...




hmmm this is interesting, if u were to read up about shotokan karate you will find that shotokan is KNOWN for its STRONG punches. I am a black belt in shotokan karate, but i have also trained in tae kwon do, kajukenpo, shito ryu and judo. None of them were even close to having the punching of shotokan and i know judo is grappling so thats exempted, not to knock any other style because they have strong punches and i'm sure there are many people within those styles who have powerful punches, but throughout my training shotokan is the most powerful i've seen and its because of our training, constant repitition of the basics. Also, my school does not even compete in tournaments its all basics, kata and kumite, no sport. Sounds to me like ur friends are at a mcdojo. So before u speak about what u do not know think first Ishiinryu Boy.


Edited by shotokanwarrior19 (05/16/05 01:50 PM)

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#141158 - 05/16/05 01:52 PM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: Sanchin]
KiDoHae Offline
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Registered: 06/29/04
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I believe "political commercialism" degrades karate, and modern sport karate is a byproduct of the "PC".




Hey Sanchin,

I am not familiar with the term you used here. I don't want to assume that I know what you mean or intended to mean. Could you take a moment to explain?

Thanks

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#141159 - 05/17/05 03:08 AM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: KiDoHae]
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http://www.shotokai.jp/english/about/index.html
About Master Funakoshi.
"He also wrote the twenty lessons of karate-do, including "there is no first move in karate", which is a widely known lesson today. " (non-violence, not for fight.)

" Shoto-kai follows the last instruction of Master Funakoshi: "There are no contests in karate. Be devoted to kata (forms)." Shoto-kai has a lesson system that focuses on practicing kata. "
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#141160 - 05/17/05 03:26 AM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: KiDoHae]
SANCHIN31 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
Quote:

Quote:

I believe "political commercialism" degrades karate, and modern sport karate is a byproduct of the "PC".




Hey Sanchin,

I am not familiar with the term you used here. I don't want to assume that I know what you mean or intended to mean. Could you take a moment to explain?

Thanks




It's not my quote. I think it's kintamas.
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#141161 - 05/17/05 10:44 PM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: SANCHIN31]
Kintama Offline
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Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Massachusetts
nope not my quote...it was the lower-case Sanchin on the first page.

I know what 'political comercialism' is but how it relates to MA is beyond me. The closest example I can imagine is a stretch... Tax breaks to McDojo's ? lol

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#141162 - 05/18/05 02:25 AM Re: Is sport degrading karate? [Re: Kintama]
Bushi_no_ki Offline
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Registered: 05/03/05
Posts: 1667
Loc: POM, Monterey CA
Crap kintama, you just brought something up that a politician might consider, and from a political point of view, rightly so.

Dojos are a source of tax income for the state/nation. By giving a tax break to the dojo, it ensures that it stays open longer, thus allowing the government to collect more taxes overall. By giving a dojo its first five years with half income tax, the state would be able to ensure the dojo remained open the whole time, allowing for long term tax income.

Great, yet another way to allow mcdojos to prosper.

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