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#140072 - 05/08/05 02:09 AM Blocks
SANCHIN31 Offline
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Do you believe that blocks are actually blocks hitting arm to arm,leg,or object? Or, Do you have deeper applications for them?
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#140073 - 05/08/05 02:18 AM Re: Blocks [Re: SANCHIN31]
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Sanchin,
Blocks, to me, have different meanings depending on the application that I wish them to have (I am talking idealized situations here). In the style of karate that I am most conversant in, blocks are mostly used as hard parries to control the opponent.

Generally, I am talking about blocks being used to put the opponenent where I want him for my benefit in throwing a counter.

Therefore, I would use a block to either continue my opponent's momentum so he is overbalanced and in a weaker position so that I can counter; or I would stop his momentum in order for myself to move to a better position to counter.

In this context, I am either moving to a better position for my attack, or moving the oppoent to a weaker postion. In each case the equal sign is the orientation of myself to my opponent, and the way to do this is through blocks and body movement.

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#140074 - 05/08/05 04:13 AM Re: Blocks [Re: SANCHIN31]
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This is how I progressed as far as blocks. In the beginning they were just taken at face value and were to be used against weaker attackers and were to recoil and do damage. When I became more of a intermediate student, they were methods to redirect a attacker and throw them off balance. Now I still move like its a parry but also use them as limb destructions like I did in the beginning only now I am able to target specific areas easier and do way more damage with them. I dislike blocks however, I prefer redirection or interception.

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#140075 - 05/08/05 04:19 AM Re: Blocks [Re: AgenT]
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Redirection and parrying can be one application for blocks,but what about grappling and joint manipulation? Push / pull actions? When addressing a block you also have to address the chamber hand.
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#140076 - 05/08/05 04:33 AM Re: Blocks [Re: SANCHIN31]
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You brought up a good point Sanchin, and a really overlooked one. I've found several joint locks, and since grappling is big in karate, I've found good methods relating to that as well. Jodan uke and shuto uki are among the blocks I turn into traps and grappling, and along with a chamber a jodan uki can be verrrry painful. It still surprises me how most overlook chambering methods and hikite. Which was alway basic beginner info to me, and adds a whole new flavor to even beginner kata.

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#140077 - 05/08/05 09:56 AM Re: Blocks [Re: AgenT]
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I dont believe most of the techniques we were told were blocks are blocks. I dont believe one has to be taught to block. You throw a ball at someones face they will natually bring their arms up to deflect it. Its reflex(for some).
I have had much more success using these"blocks" as joint manipulation, nerve strikes, throws, and chokes. ex: look at the so called reinforced Ude Uke.(outside block with the other arm supposedly supporting it for extra strength) I prefer to look at that technique as a lapel choke. Any good judoka will see it immediately. Look at heian Nidan, we have a part with a reinforced ude uke followed by a turn into a downblock. If you look at this technique as a choke, the turn downblock becomes a fantastic throw.
Yes i will admit that i was given the stories about how all block are blocks and all strikes are strikes at the beggining of my training. But now as i teach, i try to shed some light on this misconception.
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#140078 - 05/08/05 11:07 AM Re: Blocks [Re: SANCHIN31]
Kintama Offline
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A 'block' by definition is prevention of an attack from hitting you by using another part of your body.

If it does not perform this function, it is not a block.

If you are grappling, then you are grappling, not blocking.
If you avoid an attack by moving out of the way, that isn't a block.

but...
The same motion you make to perform a block, can be interpreted different ways. The motion of an upper block seen in beginner kata, can be easily and effectively interpreted as a strike to under the chin. The same position that an upper block ends up in, could be abstacted to coincide with an ending position of grappling technique.

it's limited to the immagination. some have more immagination that others.

I like to keep things simple, because I lack the immagination and skill to do otherwise.

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#140079 - 05/08/05 02:22 PM Re: Blocks [Re: SANCHIN31]
hedkikr Offline
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...and that's the beauty of the arts we study. The so-called block has so many implications & uses because the body mechanics were developed & perfected centuries ago. Many people who don't understand believe bunkai is simplay "reverse engineering" or assigning meaning where there was none. Kata detractors continue to be WRONG. Blocks are like a Swiss Army knife, the tool can be used for any applicable purpose. Of course it cant be used to remove a spark plug because that purpose wasn't built into the tool. So it is w/ blocks - block, strike, joint manipulation, nerve attack - it's all good.

Owari

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#140080 - 05/09/05 05:16 PM Re: Blocks [Re: hedkikr]
nenipp Offline
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Yes it's all good.
Among the uke-waza, the one I most frequently use as a block is shutouke, which is very good against "usual attacks" (if there is such a thing)

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#140081 - 05/09/05 06:01 PM Re: Blocks [Re: SANCHIN31]
Ironfoot Offline
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Quote:

Redirection and parrying can be one application for blocks,but what about grappling and joint manipulation? Push / pull actions? When addressing a block you also have to address the chamber hand.




To me, it's all the same! Either way, I put the opponent in a position where he won't hurt me, whether he's off-balance and about to be hit OR locked up and being talked to.
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