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#140035 - 03/13/06 12:23 PM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: MattJ]
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excellent job on the history. You really put time into your research. Thanks, I enjoyed reading the post.
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#140036 - 03/29/06 05:53 PM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: tkdwarrior]
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regarding the hwoarang...

perhaps back in the days, the flower thing was not associated with gay imagery... different times, different culture.

i'm korean and i always considered the hwoarang as a school of thought for young males which was to breed nationalism/patriotism in times of war...

tho some textbooks for school children might over play their martial role, their influence in the unification of kroea back in the 3 kingsdom days cannot be ignored.

one of the most famous general (kim yu shin) was a hwoarang
in his youth. he was a silla general and contributed greatly in the unification.

their is also a famous tale of a hwoarang youth doing almost a suicidal charge against the baekje army, was captured, released (due to his young age) and charged again then to be killed. apparently this sacrifice gave inspiration/motivation/courage and silla army won that battle.

i sensed a bias against the history of hwoarang so i felt i needed to add some things. tho i grew up in korea until in the early 1980's (prime target age and time for propaganda), i personnaly was unaware of the hwoarang martials > samurai image.

i can tell you about other crap that i heard against communists (north korea, USSR, china) and vs japan tho... now i know better

hopefully, the current education system is less biased...

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#140037 - 04/04/06 08:10 AM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: shaokhan79]
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Guys

Does anyone have the lineage between Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do as I Trained in Tang Soo Do Mu Duk Kwan and the information I read placed direct lineage from Tang Soo Do to Tae kwon Do, I've not seen the Hyungs of Tae Kwon Do are they not disimilar to the Tang Soo Do Hyungs. I had to give up Tang Soo Do as Grading/monthly prices were going too high and turn Japanese Karate/Jujitsu, this is a shame as I would have been 3rd Red to be taking my Midnight Blue/Black belt in the fall

with all respect

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#140038 - 04/12/06 02:35 AM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: MattJ]
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I'ved been holding off, but the truth is I CREATED TAEKWONDO, yep I said it, it was me. I TEK created TKD. It's a cross between karate and an Ancient Mayan game. The mayans used to bunt a ball around in a court yard using their ligs,knees and feet and chest. You could not used your hands. The object was to get the ball into a ring loop, it was almost as if playing basketball, by the way I created that too, based off this sport.

Many of you can see the influence, as I said in this ancient mayan game, you could not use your hands, which explains much of the low if any gaurd being used durring TKD sparring. The game was played using the legs,m which explains the many kicks in the TKD arsenal, and as I said he chest was allowed, so you could bump the ball of the chest which helps when passing it to friends, similar to soccer. This can be seen in TKD sparring when the opponents get within close range and they do all that chest bumping. Although the game was played for life and death. The loser losing their lives, perferably their heads, and the winner recieving nothing.

I aded the pretty V-neck uniforms later on, and I basically wanted to keep the sport full contact, so I added some light sparring gear, cuz I'm not compassionateless you know.

OKay so now you all know, TKD is a blend of karate (not saying which one) and an ancient mayan sport, which looks very similar to subak, but those korean guys totally copied us, cuz we trying to set up an international league, and some folks got ahold of the rule book and totally jacked us. but oh well, i hear they didn;t get it completely cuz it was banend or something.

I know people wil read this because I posted it, I bet some of you wil get pissy with me and ask me for proof of this. But I tell you, its all true.

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#140039 - 06/09/06 03:10 PM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: TeK9]
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I saw him.
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#140040 - 06/09/06 03:13 PM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: Dobbersky]
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They are two diffrent Martial arts. Tang soo do was first called Tang soo do, then the Korean government wanted to rename all Korean Martial arts Taekwondo. The founders/students of Tang soo do, and many other Korean Martial arts opposed this, so some of which actually sued the Korean government for the right to call it Tang soo do, and the rest is as they say history.
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#140041 - 06/20/06 07:21 AM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: Mike_L]
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Quote:

They are two diffrent Martial arts. Tang soo do was first called Tang soo do, then the Korean government wanted to rename all Korean Martial arts Taekwondo. The founders/students of Tang soo do, and many other Korean Martial arts opposed this, so some of which actually sued the Korean government for the right to call it Tang soo do, and the rest is as they say history.




Nope!Tae su du was the name of what we know as tkd of today.
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#140042 - 06/23/06 03:41 PM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: Isshinryukid4life]
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No, that was Tae soo do by the way. I was not saying Tang soo do was part of Taekwondo, the original plan of Choi, and the Korean government was to unite all Korean martial arts under the banner name Tae kwon do. This was unrealistic, and in the end did not turn out that way. Tang soo do was never a part of Taekwondo, but it like many other Korean martial arts at that time was going to be called Taekwondo. Many opposed this, and it never really happened.
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#140043 - 07/03/06 02:43 AM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: Mike_L]
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Alright,then,In what year did the korean gov want to name it korean karate/tae su do?
You've better think about this one,B/c they did'nt call it tkd until later on,& I doubt anyone at that time sued the korean gov,As there was a dictatorship at the time;in other words it was'nt a democracy.
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#140044 - 07/11/06 03:33 PM Re: History of Tae Kwon Do [Re: Isshinryukid4life]
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1945, Korean Kong soo do federation, 1955 banner name Tae kwon do is coined by general Choi. Tae "to kick or strike with the foot" kwon "to punch or strike with the foot" do "art or way" roughly translated "the art of kicking and punching", or "the way of foot and fist", among other ways. It was general Choi's vision to unite the many Korean Kwans (styles) under the banner name Tae kwon do, (also with Japanese Shotokan Karate-do). It was not until after south Korea became a democracy, that the law suits began, originally many schools kept the original names of their kwans. However the name TKD was being used to describe anything form Tang soo do to subak, purely for publicity reasons. After a while TKD had developed into it's own unique martial art, with its own patterns, sparring types, self defense, and applications. The WTF and ITF were founded, and time went on. Tang soo do and Taekwondo remained sepreate.

Now if you would kindly STFU!!
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