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#139888 - 05/07/05 04:16 PM Young=McDojo?
dogma911 Offline
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If you go to a TKD club and it has many very young 1st or 2nd Dan students, does that suggest a McDojo? Can someone look- [image]http://www.sokcho.fsnet.co.uk/images/group4.jpg[/image]
Do they look too young?

(Not trying to be an ageist, just from what Ive read on these forums, yound BB can often mean McDojos.)

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#139889 - 05/07/05 07:09 PM Re: Young=McDojo? [Re: dogma911]
DefenselessChild Offline
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Most of the time I would say yes. But, it is possible to have young students who just happen to be phenomenal.

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#139890 - 05/08/05 03:54 PM Re: Young=McDojo? [Re: DefenselessChild]
dogma911 Offline
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ok. Thanks. I think I'm gonna go to a different one anyway.

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#139891 - 07/11/05 01:59 AM Re: Young=McDojo? [Re: dogma911]
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I don't know...my feeling on young black belts has always been that I can pick them up and toss them halfway across the room one handed...as such, they're not really proficient martial artists because they can't defend themselves against a stronger attacker. I just feel that you have to reach a certain crossroads of physical and mental maturity before you should be able to test for a black belt.

I think the question you should ask is "how much does testing cost at your school?" If it's 10 bucks a shot...then he's probably just promoting young black belts. If it's a few hundred a test then I would say it's a "mcdojo" and they're just trying to cash in.
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#139892 - 07/11/05 05:01 AM Re: Young=McDojo? [Re: Spin_Hook]
Foundation Offline
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You pay so much for testing? the school I'm in now asks 2-3 bucks for testing and my previous school tested free of charge. I didn't realise how much it could cost

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#139893 - 07/11/05 07:14 AM Re: Young=McDojo? [Re: Spin_Hook]
wynnema Offline
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Quote:

I don't know...my feeling on young black belts has always been that I can pick them up and toss them halfway across the room one handed...as such, they're not really proficient martial artists because they can't defend themselves against a stronger attacker. I just feel that you have to reach a certain crossroads of physical and mental maturity before you should be able to test for a black belt.

I think the question you should ask is "how much does testing cost at your school?" If it's 10 bucks a shot...then he's probably just promoting young black belts. If it's a few hundred a test then I would say it's a "mcdojo" and they're just trying to cash in.




most koreans get their black belts at a young age, that is why you see many 5th Dan's in their 30's. Of course they are at a disadvantage size wise, but its not all about street defence. Some people actually practive it as a sport.

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#139894 - 07/11/05 01:48 PM Re: Young=McDojo? [Re: wynnema]
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This topic has been discussed many times on this forum...

The one thing I would suggest, is that if there are alot of young BBs, it will inevitably mean that there are alot of young students. This is fine if they are in separate classes, but if the classes are integrated, then it might be fustrating for adults.

Otherwise, use your instincts- are the BBs in your oppinion worthy of being BBs. This gut instinct will probably be far more usefeul in deciding the worthiness of a school, than us debating whether or not young BBs are a sign of a McDojo or not.

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#139895 - 07/11/05 06:36 PM Re: Young=McDojo? [Re: Supremor]
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yeah it's really just a generalization. go take a look and see how you feel about it.

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#139896 - 07/13/05 04:30 PM Re: Young=McDojo? [Re: cannonfodder]
Spin_Hook Offline
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Very true. If all the students are worthy of holding that rank then fine. All that I'm really trying to say is that I have seen a LOT of young black belts (in that 11-15 year old range) that couldn't defend themselves from a sack of potatoes...whether in "real-life" combat or in the sport version of martial arts.

And I mean the whole issue really comes down to your own personal standards of what constitutes a "deserving" person. People in general seem to think they deserve rewards just for showing up or trying moderately hard, but when I see a TRULY accomplished black belt demonstrating his skills I can't help but think that at this point I'd be ashamed to throw a black belt on.

Bottom line for me is, "if a 15 year old black belt can't defend himself against me (when I'm a yellow belt), then he needs to work a little more until he's worthy of that rank."
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#139897 - 07/14/05 02:48 AM Re: Young=McDojo? [Re: Spin_Hook]
Mandolynn Offline
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Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Wisconsin, USA
Well, can they atleast tie their belts correctly? I saw a boy not much older than 8 years old with a red/black belt that was tied completely wrong. I swear I almost started to cry.

There are schools that produce very young black belts that are not Mcdojangs.They may not be able to defend themselves against a 200 pound man, but they have excelent technique and forms. And being able to produce this kind of young black belt reflects very well on the instruction available at that school, being that it takes so much more patience and clarity to teach children. Bottom line when picking a school, choose on the quality of the student, not their ages.

Oh, and if you really think about it, once a kid gets their black belt from a mcdojang most of them wouldn't stay around because they essentially got what they paid for. If its the same black belt kids coming back consistanly for months and years it gets less likely it is a mcdojang.

(and just if you were wondering, if I had a school, you would have to be very very good and mentally mature to get a black belt if you are younger than 15.)
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