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#139821 - 05/07/05 01:32 PM Learning
yorik17 Offline
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Registered: 11/30/04
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Hi. I'd like to learn martial arts REAL bad, but I can't afford them. Four of my friends take them now, and I was the one who got most of them interested, so you can guess I feel a bit of jealousy. At the moment, I'm trying to teach myself Shaolin Kung-Fu, which 3 of my friends take. My BEST friend in particular (who I've been friends with for 8 years) has a bad habit of trying to show off in front of me and making me look like a pathetic "unskilled" fool when we spar in front of passers by. I sometimes try to do what he does when he does his forms or basic attacks and whatnot, and when I do he tells me I'm making it "look like sh*t" (pardon the language) right to my face and doesn't even try to correct me. I'd like to learn just the basics, cause maybe one day I'll take class. That and also at the moment I am trying to learn katana techniques and rope dart, but I can't find any rope dart ANYWHERE. Maybe someone could help. I learn well by word, since that's the only thing I can do. THANKS IN ADVANCE
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#139822 - 05/07/05 03:25 PM Re: Learning [Re: yorik17]
still wadowoman Offline
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Hi Yorik

You really can't learn MA without a teacher (and when I say teacher, your mate who's had a few lessons doesn't count).

How old are you? Are you old enough for an after school or weekend job? If so, you would be much better off working to pay for some proper lessons.
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#139823 - 05/07/05 07:32 PM Re: Learning [Re: still wadowoman]
yorik17 Offline
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I'm 17. 18 this month. I'm old enough to get a job, but see, my dad has a self owned buisness (with no employees cept the family) He makes fishing lures, so there isn't a lot of income, and I have to help him out. I don't make any money doing it, but when he gets enough money to buy what HE wants he doesn't hesitate to get it!
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#139824 - 05/08/05 03:22 AM Re: Learning [Re: yorik17]
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Sounds like you should work on 'killing' some 'bills' before you can train at Temple 'Pay Mei'.
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#139825 - 05/08/05 03:28 AM Re: Learning [Re: yorik17]
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Tell your buddies that showing off is a fools idea of glory. Do what Sharon suggests!! Good luck!!
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#139826 - 05/08/05 01:30 PM Re: Learning [Re: yorik17]
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Search the yellow pages and google.com for schools in your area, often local community centres (community halls?) will have cheap or free lessons taught by hobby-ist Sensei. These guys are often good because they aren't doing it for the money. My advice is don't be picky, if you can't get Shaolin KungFu for example but they have Shotokan Karate on the cheap somewhere, take it up. Most arts are about as effective as one another, there's no best art.


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#139827 - 05/08/05 07:18 PM Re: Learning [Re: Leo_E_49]
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Thanks all. I'll give it a whack... Never thought of looking for schools that are cheap, but I doubt I'll find one, since I live in the boonies in WV, but still I'll try.
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#139828 - 05/15/05 10:15 PM Re: Learning [Re: Leo_E_49]
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when your friend tries to show off, just revert to regular street fighting and put him into a lock whenever he punches, and just hold his foot and make him fall backwards whenever he kicks, that'll teach him not to be flashy and ineffective


it's a bad friend that tries to sacrifice others' for themselves
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#139829 - 05/15/05 10:32 PM Re: Learning [Re: rockleewannabe]
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And what "street fighting" school did you go to, wannabe?
How is an untrained person suppose to put somebody else in a lock? Nevermind, don't ansewr that.

yorik, follow the other sane peoples' advice and find an instructor, that is the only way you will obtain any decent skills.
As for your friend, he's not much of a friend if he likes to make you "look like a pathetic 'unskilled' fool" when you spar. Get new friends.
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#139830 - 05/15/05 10:56 PM Re: Learning [Re: JoelM]
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I find it odd that you would have a disdain for the fighting that's motto is "whatever works", in terms of it's effectiveness...


I got out of them all the time, I haven't practiced getting out of them, I just make a snap realization of the kind of lock I'm in and think within a split second on how to get out, if my arm gets broken then I've failed, due to my own stupidity

street fighting requires no school, it's a form of fighting that's created from one's experiences within fighting

favourite time someone who Joe would think would've won lost was when the black belt went into a fighting stance, and the orange belt looked horrible in form, just went up, kicked him between the legs, black belt went down like a rock


stance and form means nothing much of the time, hence the term martial "art"



Joe you're far too cynical, a bad friend can learn to be a good friend



anyways, the best advice I can give is not to use the martial art he's proficient in when sparring, use whatever works, create your own technique's that counter his

martial arts helped my ability to fight greatly, but when I used it to fight someone with no skill in fighting in reality, well, I got dropped

so I resumed my personal fighting style which I learned from a measly book of wing chun, a year of taekwon do, and watching fights and being in them

I always cut the BS and get to the point in fights that matter

when sparring don't copy his moves, he just wants to feel special, which is also why he's showing off, just counter his, and if he wants to keep looking good he'll stop sparring you, or develop counter technique's of his own, and you develop counter technique's of your own and so forth


you'll be learning new ways of sparring constantly and for effectiveness mix and match your technique's so you keep him second guessing, old and new ones

TKD taught me how to control my legs, which has helped me a lot, but when it comes to real fighting, I don't follow a TKD stance or form, even the combinations and stuff are too rigid for reality, so I break them up and use them in conjunction with whatever other technique's I've learned to create the most effective set of movements for that time period that I have to attack or defend



basically I do martial arts, but I use a reality based form of fighting that has been proven to work from personal experience for dangerous situations, which CAN include parts of a martial art
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#139831 - 05/15/05 11:00 PM Re: Learning [Re: rockleewannabe]
rockleewannabe Offline
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but if being active and learning new martial arts is your thing, which I wish I could do now too, then I'd just follow other people's advice

I'm only covering the fighting aspect of MA and street fighting
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#139832 - 05/15/05 11:40 PM Re: Learning [Re: rockleewannabe]
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I find it odd that you would have a disdain for the fighting that's motto is "whatever works", in terms of it's effectiveness...



Is that your definition of "street fighting's" motto? I never said I have disdain for "whatever works." I have disdain for people who think that unskilled, untrained fighting is the way to go and what to recommend to others who have no idea what they are doing.

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I got out of them all the time, I haven't practiced getting out of them, I just make a snap realization of the kind of lock I'm in and think within a split second on how to get out,



But you told him to use joint locks, not to get out of them. Getting out of them can be intuitive, but with no training, applying joint locks effectively is just going to get you taken apart because you're spending too much time trying to figure out where to twist what. Get your arguements straight.

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favourite time someone who Joe would think would've won lost was when the black belt went into a fighting stance, and the orange belt looked horrible in form, just went up, kicked him between the legs, black belt went down like a rock
stance and form means nothing much of the time, hence the term martial "art"



Big assumption there on who I would have thought would win. But that being said, would you have picked an orange belt over a black belt without knowing anything about either of them? Doubtful.
Stances should not be static, continuous use mechanisms, that is not what they are for. Form means everything, if you do not have proper form you can hurt yourself more than you hurt the other person. Granted, there are certain instances where form means a lot less (rising groin kick, etc.), but it still matters.

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Joe you're far too cynical, a bad friend can learn to be a good friend



Yes, a bad friend can turn good. But if they don't, get new friends.

By the way, the name's Joel, not Joe.
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#139833 - 05/16/05 01:40 AM Re: Learning [Re: rockleewannabe]
SANCHIN31 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/04
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Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
Quote:

when your friend tries to show off, just revert to regular street fighting and put him into a lock whenever he punches, and just hold his foot and make him fall backwards whenever he kicks, that'll teach him not to be flashy and ineffective


it's a bad friend that tries to sacrifice others' for themselves





*SANCHIN31 beats his head repeatedly on the desk,again!*
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#139834 - 05/16/05 11:00 AM Re: Learning [Re: SANCHIN31]
MN JC Offline
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Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 189
Loc: Coon Rapids, MN USA
I find it amazing how the names change but the arguements remain the same.

Those with little, bad, or no training often are so confused that they spew out bad advice and belive that they know what they are talking about.

Please find a good instructor in your area, and listen to him/her.
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#139835 - 05/16/05 02:50 PM Re: Learning [Re: rockleewannabe]
MattJ Offline
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Quote by rockleewannabe -

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when your friend tries to show off, just revert to regular street fighting and put him into a lock whenever he punches, and just hold his foot and make him fall backwards whenever he kicks, that'll teach him not to be flashy and ineffective




Yes, just revert to being a streetfighter! Brilliant!! Why have I wasted 20 years doing MA, when all I needed to do was let out my inner streetfighter! For certainly NO martial arts will survive T3h D34dly Str33t!!!!

*rolls eyes*
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#139836 - 05/18/05 04:12 PM Re: Learning [Re: rockleewannabe]
Gino Offline
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Excuse me, rocklee, I mean no disrespect, but I'm curious. Weren't you complaining about your sedentary lifestyle not too long ago? You admitted to wasting your time playing video games and over-eating. You asked for guidance from the forum to get into shape so you could train in the martial arts. Why not tell us how that's going, before you attempt to enlighten us about street fighting?
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#139837 - 05/18/05 04:38 PM Re: Learning [Re: Gino]
MN JC Offline
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Loc: Coon Rapids, MN USA
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Excuse me, rocklee, I mean no disrespect, but I'm curious. Weren't you complaining about your sedentary lifestyle not too long ago? You admitted to wasting your time playing video games and over-eating. You asked for guidance from the forum to get into shape so you could train in the martial arts. Why not tell us how that's going, before you attempt to enlighten us about street fighting?





That is correct. Good memory Gino. Nice that someone has one, I keep forgetting where I left mine.

So Rocklee, how is it going? Did you give up on getting in shape and decided to become a street fighter?
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#139838 - 05/19/05 02:20 AM Re: Learning [Re: MN JC]
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I suspect all these "streetfighters rule" posts to be from non-ma's or wannabe's. Good eye Gino.
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