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#139620 - 05/09/05 11:20 PM Re: Krav Maga is like..... [Re: imcrazy]
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MA werent developed for the common person, they were developed for soldiers (in most cases) and as such were already used by people with good physical condition




Well if you are saying the common people of their time weren't in shape you are wrong. Back then most common people would be in better shape then alot of us here. Why? Because they did everything themselves and most of it was very physically demanding. There was not the technology we have now and people couldn't afford to be lazy. It is true that some martial arts were created for the warriors/soldiers. However many were created by farmers to defend themselves against bandits, soldiers trying to capture the village etc.

Just thought I'd point that out.





AGEED! Not only that but the diet of the Japanese culture is very much more healthy than ours, atleast currently, but I would think this to be true even in the past. I'd also like to ask in what Martial Art you can get a black belt with out breaking a sweat? I sure as hell would love to check that out. Perhaps maybe I sweat more than others but just 5 minutes into my Aikido class i'm glistening like a hooker on new years.
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#139621 - 05/10/05 12:19 AM Re: Krav Maga is like..... [Re: AkhilleusWeeps]
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I'd also like to ask in what Martial Art you can get a black belt with out breaking a sweat?




No martial art. I said alot of schools not styles.
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#139622 - 05/10/05 06:56 AM Re: Krav Maga is like..... [Re: SANCHIN31]
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i see what the reacurring them is above and for newer styles i guess you would be right. But lets goo way back to maybe ancient egypt/roman, when styles would have been formulated for armies, not the common populance and what the word martial art means: Of, relating to, or suggestive of war.
Martial:
Relating to or connected with the armed forces or the profession of arms.
Characteristic of or befitting a warrior.
Art:
Activity pursued as a livelihood: business, calling, career, craft, employment, job, line, métier, occupation, profession, pursuit, trade, vocation, work. Slang racket. Archaic employ. See action/inaction.
Natural or acquired facility in a specific activity: ability, adeptness, command, craft, expertise, expertness, knack, mastery, proficiency, skill, technique. Informal know-how. See ability/inability, knowledge/ignorance.
Deceitful cleverness: artfulness, artifice, craft, craftiness, cunning, foxiness, guile, slyness, wiliness. See honest/dishonest, means.
Basically, these says to me, an art based around war/fare, and as such would originally been used by armies (moving on from Okiwanawen* styles)
And would not the first Martial Art systems have been created to help maximise the efficiency of soldiers?
imcrazy, i never presumed that peasants ect, were not fit, merely that because they were not required to march everyday with small rations (as would happen in campaigns) they may not be as fit as a soldier doing active service. i also never mentioned japan, but considering the term martial art didnt even appear in dictionaries untill the last century, and that its first definition did include karate ( i think...) anyway, i hope that cleared up what i was trying to say

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#139623 - 05/10/05 04:17 PM Re: Krav Maga is like..... [Re: SANCHIN31]
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the basic idea of km was to develop something that could be tought to a soldier quickly and teach him to be able to fight H2H. there is little if any art or spirituality, and it assumes that the practicioner is strong, tough and fit. there is little or nothing fancy to the style, lots of low kicks, punches, elbows, knees. lots of work on targets. lots of work on agression training. some mat work, but no fancy wrist grabs or pressure points (might take too long to learn well).

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#139624 - 05/11/05 07:44 AM Re: Krav Maga is like..... [Re: globetrotter]
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the basic idea of km was to develop something that could be tought to a soldier quickly and teach him to be able to fight H2H. there is little if any art or spirituality, and it assumes that the practicioner is strong, tough and fit. there is little or nothing fancy to the style, lots of low kicks, punches, elbows, knees. lots of work on targets. lots of work on agression training. some mat work, but no fancy wrist grabs or pressure points (might take too long to learn well).




Well put!

We also do a lot of ground work... If I get into your guard..look out..I love to grapple
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