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#138813 - 11/25/05 01:19 PM Re: Metaphor [Re: harlan]
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Quote:

Everything is metaphor.




So there for, your statement is a metaphor. Thus meaning that things are truly not Metaphors, but plain and simple objects we cloud with metaphoric statements?


Unless my statement is the metaphor and you were answering with a metaphor about my metaphoric statement... Proving the point that what I say is a metaphor...

;D
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#138814 - 11/25/05 01:20 PM Re: Metaphor [Re: phoenixsflame]
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Exactly.

Now, stop stirring the water...just watch and reflect.


Edited by harlan (11/25/05 01:33 PM)

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#138815 - 11/25/05 01:37 PM Re: Metaphor [Re: harlan]
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Someone has to stir the water occasionally, or people will forget its simply a reflection in the water and not the sky itself.
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#138816 - 11/25/05 01:53 PM The Means and The Way [Re: phoenixsflame]
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Chökyi Nyima Rimpoche

"...One can encompass a whole range of means and methods which are elaborate and complex. But one should know that even while that may be so that part of the Dharma path may involve complex practices, all are meant to provide a single insight: the insight into the basic nature of things, which is not complex, without any elaboration, simplicity. Because of being the intrinsic nature of things, it transcends elaboration and complexities we are used to. The key point is, all means and methods that we see described in teachings, and that you may make personal use of in practice, are all meant to bring an end to complexity. While they may be complex, they are meant to provide a realization which is beyond all complexity!

Not that those methods won't work, but don't confuse methods with the discovery one gets through the methods. Methods are very helpful conditions. Necessary factors need to be brought together for us to gain insight of the nature of things just as it is, the abiding way of things, beyond all complexities. It is discovered because of the means and methods. We need to understand this relationship and use the means and methods in a correct and skillful way."


Edited by harlan (11/25/05 01:55 PM)

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#138817 - 11/25/05 02:26 PM Re: The Means and The Way [Re: harlan]
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The oldest addage I know for Zen.


"The words of Zen are the Finger pointing to the moon,
The finger itself can never express the moons beauty.
And once you see the moon, there is no questioning it.
Yet sometimes, one may get the finger and the moon confused."
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#138818 - 12/05/05 01:14 PM On Teachers [Re: harlan]
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Khandro Dechen (paraphrased):

There is actually nothing worse than having your own way. Thre would be nothing more claustrophobic than having a partner who agreed with you all the time, nothing more depressing than being able to design existence according to your own quality judgements. There is therefore nothing more useless than having a teacher whose advice is conditional on your own agreement with it. The teacher is there to wreck our personal patterns of samsara in order that we can become vast in our appreciation rather than contracting and becoming rigid. The teacher is always pointing at the beautiful scenery which lies outside the safety of our comfortable cages.

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#138819 - 12/07/05 01:34 PM Buddha this, and Buddha that... [Re: harlan]
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Evil Buddha, New Buddha, E*Buddha...we are heavy with Buddhas lately!

"At the time of the Buddha there was a monk who was so infatuated with the Buddha that he followed him around like a puppy dog. Wherever the Buddha went, this monk went too. One day the monk became very ill and had to stay in bed. As he was lying in bed he started crying. When the other monks came to see him he said, I am crying because, being ill, I can't see the Buddha. Upon learning this, the Buddha immediately came to visit the sick monk, who brightened up and looked happy again. Then the Buddha said to him, Whoever sees me, sees the dhamma; whoever sees the dhamma, sees me. Whoever sees a Buddha, sees nothing but enlightenment, which is the essence of the dhamma. Whoever can see the dhamma within, sees the Buddha, equaling enlightenment. The greatest jewel is recognizing the dhamma in oneself and not being attached to any one person, even the Buddha, who only wants to be our guide. When true confidence arises in the dhamma, it gives great impetus to the practice.

---Ayya Khema, When the Iron Eagle Flies

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#138820 - 12/19/05 12:34 PM Meditation Song [Re: harlan]
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"When Meditation
Is Clear Light River Flow,
There is no Need
to confine it to sessions and breaks.
Meditator and object
Refined until they're gone;
This heartbone of meditation-
It beats quite well!"

-Milarepa, Song of the Profound Definitive Meaning, Sung on the Snowy Range

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#138821 - 12/26/05 10:42 PM Practice [Re: harlan]
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The practice is what you throw yourself into. Unconditionally. The practice is the teacher. Your practice is your teacher.

-Maurine Stuart ('liberated' from the Daily Zen Calendar )

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#138822 - 12/26/05 11:10 PM Re: Practice [Re: harlan]
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gives me an idea for a thread harlan...

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