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#138803 - 11/03/05 04:10 PM The Sandokai [Re: harlan]
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With all the postings this week on 'friends', and 'duality', thought this might be relevant. From "Branching Streams Flow in the Darkness: Zen Talks on the Sandokai" - Shunryu Suzuki


In the light there is darkness,
but don't take it as darkness.
In the dark there is light,
but don't see it as light.


Anso wo motte o koto nakare - "but don't take it as darkness." Nakare means "do not." Motte means "with." Anso means "dark side" or "dark outlook." The character o means "to meet," implying that you treat the person you meet as a friend. You meet or encounter the way clouds meet a mountain. Here is a Tassajara mountain, there are clouds, and the clouds from the ocean will meet the mountain. This kind of relationship is o . You should not meet people just with the understanding of darkness. If you meet your friend with your eyes shut, ignoring how old he is or how handsome he is, ignoring all his characteristics, you will not meet your friend. That is just one-sided understanding, because in the darkness there is light. Even though the relationship between you and your friend is very intimate, still your friend is who he is and you are you. Don't meet your friend without the understanding of light or duality. A close relationship is dark because, if your relationship is very close, you are one with the other person. But still you are you and your friend is who he is.


Edited by harlan (11/03/05 04:11 PM)

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#138804 - 11/03/05 04:21 PM Re: The Sandokai [Re: harlan]
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But still you are you and your friend is who he is.



...or She.

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#138805 - 11/23/05 10:54 AM Waking Up [Re: Kintama]
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"I am Awake." Famous words. The goal with no goal, the one path that has many roads. Something on the different ways to 'wake up':

We can look at all the approaches to the process of awakening on the Buddhist path as being similar to the regular methods we use to wake ourselves up in the morning. We might be trying to wake up, but the question is, How do we want to wake up? The general method of Hinayana-Mahayana is like setting an alarm clock. When we hear the beeping of the alarm, we usually press the snooze button and go back to sleep. When the alarm goes off again, we have a choice: We can get up or we can press the snooze button again. Sometimes, we might even kick the alarm clock so that it will never wake us up again. That is similar to the basic Hinayana-Mahayana process of waking up. In contrast, in the Mahamudra and Dzogchen approaches to waking up, the teacher comes into our room while we are still sleeping and throws a bucket of ice water onto our bed. That is our wake-up call, and we usually "get it" right away. We have no choice but to get up. We are so irritated - but so awake.

The purpose of our whole journey, regardless of which path we take, is to wake up....the primordial buddha is ever present, whether we want to experience that or not. So, on this spiritual journey, the real question is, Am I willing to wake up?

- Dzogchen Ponlop


Edited by harlan (11/23/05 10:57 AM)

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#138806 - 11/23/05 05:12 PM Re: Waking Up [Re: harlan]
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In contrast, in the Mahamudra and Dzogchen approaches to waking up, the teacher comes into our room while we are still sleeping and throws a bucket of ice water onto our bed. That is our wake-up call, and we usually "get it" right away. We have no choice but to get up. We are so irritated - but so awake.



you probably do not know me... Even after this I may still continue to sleep
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#138807 - 11/23/05 08:02 PM Re: Waking Up [Re: LastGURU]
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Quote:

Quote:

In contrast, in the Mahamudra and Dzogchen approaches to waking up, the teacher comes into our room while we are still sleeping and throws a bucket of ice water onto our bed. That is our wake-up call, and we usually "get it" right away. We have no choice but to get up. We are so irritated - but so awake.



you probably do not know me... Even after this I may still continue to sleep





Thats when the Shinai comes out. If the student doesn't get it after the speaking, the ice water and the grunting...

Its all about the Shinai.
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#138808 - 11/24/05 04:44 PM Re: Waking Up [Re: phoenixsflame]
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Thats when the Shinai comes out. If the student doesn't get it after the speaking, the ice water and the grunting...

Its all about the Shinai.



Now you speak like Matt (who "respectfully pokes me with a stick")
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#138809 - 11/24/05 10:30 PM Re: Waking Up [Re: LastGURU]
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Sometimes it takes a thorough beating to make someone look up. But, even if you are being beaten, its best to simply sit. That way you can be sure you're actually there, and not asleep.
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#138810 - 11/24/05 10:32 PM Re: The Sandokai [Re: harlan]
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The Sandokai is one of my favorite Zen Poems, and the work that Shunryu Suzuki did on it was beautiful. Another one that I quite enjoy is Zen Master Raven, by Robert Aitken. A wonderful book, I'll find my copy and transpose some of his metaphor and anthropomorphic jovial sense of Zen here tonight. As A giving of Thanks to Harlan for starting this thread.
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#138811 - 11/24/05 10:37 PM Zen Master Raven [Re: phoenixsflame]
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The first Master Raven has is Brown Bear, he teaches solely in Metaphor.

"Metaphor :


As they got better acquainted, Raven would ride on Brown Bear's back as he foraged for food. When they were setting out one day, Raven asked, "Do you teach exclusively with Metaphor?"
Brown Bear Said, "The robin sings in the oak tree; the finch sings in the madrone."
Raven asked, "What do they stand for?"
Brown Bear turned his head to look at Raven and asked, "The lark sings in the deep blue sky, what more can you ask?"
Raven aksed, "What is singing?"
Brown Bear turned back to the path and gruned. "We'll have auditions again tonight."



"


This by far is one of my favorite passages. There is a foot note on the "The lark sings in the deep blue sky -- What more can you ask" that the other puts in, it says :

"I like to thinkt hat Brown Bear is echoing Stevenson :

The Children sing in Far Japan
The Children Sing in Spain
The organ with the organ man
Is singing in the rain."

Robert Louis Stevenson, A childs Garden of Verses.
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#138812 - 11/25/05 10:05 AM Metaphor [Re: phoenixsflame]
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Everything is metaphor.

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