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#138137 - 05/11/05 06:42 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Bodiharma]
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No, its sensitivity, because its all very fast and you must notice the smallest changes to be able to block in time. It is used in Kali i believe, and would be classed as a sensitivity drill by most instructors. It isnt rea;lly like what it sounds like, but thats probably the only way to explain it without showing you.

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#138138 - 05/11/05 07:26 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Ace]
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i think i know what you mean now, theres a drill like that called bong sau/lop sau drill, its more of a timing / co-ordination drill, yet it does train sensitivity as well

very useful!

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#138139 - 05/11/05 04:49 PM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Bodiharma]
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in my own opinion. i do not think that it's simply bruce lee's interpretation of wing chun kuen i believe it's bruce lee's interpretation of him self and his own way of fighting that other people could learn from and maybe have a better understanding of how to fight or just a guide to improve your way of fighting. also he was just helping people to understand how to be like the nature of water in a fight or life. you know to adapt and be instinctive in nature, the way you are until styles and programing and reprograming disrupt the natural process of your mind and body as a whole , eventrully slowing your reaction time down and limiting your mind or better yet constructing restriction a box and chains to bind your self in and, refrain you from being your true self in a fight. anyway if anyone does not believe this way like me then don't be offended i'm just speaking my opinon on the matter. also since i am natural and move where ever god and my instincts take me then i guess the mind is always in a mode of a adaptive state when it comes to someone's opinon's, what is my opinon today could become your's tomorrow or a month from now or years from now and what i now think will eventrully change at least to some degree because people's opinon's and thought's are like the wind, today they blow against you but tomorrow they may be your friend. when i say this i just mean that the way people think is always changing with every fact and or event that happens in life may change your current train of thought.

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#138140 - 05/11/05 05:01 PM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Bodiharma]
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yes i agree with you the sensitivity trainging that is used in jkd it seems more like drills but it really trains you both in the drills and your sensitivity.

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#138141 - 05/14/05 04:39 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Bodiharma]
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What Bruce's JKD was shouldnt dictate what yours becomes. Bruce, at his best, was using Wing Chun and western boxing combined with a small working knowledge of Muay Thai and TKD. Consider that now most JKD guy use the boxing and Muay Thai and skip the other two. Bruces footwork, such as seen on film, was really just a mockery of Ali. He was largely biased to Wing Chun due to his longtime involvement in it meanwhile preaching the whole time to others to let go of biased thought processes. He was also biased to flashy tkd style kicking due to his involvement with Joon Rhee. When he passed, he left JKD a very incomplete system. Most likely on purpose. This way the student would, in theory, be free from tradition and find his own path, and now his path has nearly become tradition.
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#138142 - 05/14/05 02:50 PM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Chen Zen]
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huh? JKD - WC, B, Fencing primarily. incomplete? NO
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#138143 - 05/14/05 10:36 PM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Fluid_Motion]
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Incomplete if thats all you are doing, yes. Most of WC has been dropped from the curriculum as well as alot of the fencing ideas. WC,Boxing, Fencing- wheres the ground game at? You need more than that. Thats the reason JKD was left as it was. Bruce was done writing about JKD before he passed. He didnt want to leave a definate path for people to follow so that eventually they would create their own. His books and commentarie werent about the path but the destination
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#138144 - 05/15/05 06:11 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Chen Zen]
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yes i think one of lee's idea's in my opinon is that he wanted people's jkd to be their own and not like his. i think that he didn't want people doing his art the same as him because jkd it's self i think has alot to do with being yourself and not just copying someones moves. because if you just copy what lee did then your going against what jkd stands for which i think is nature ( the state of being natural or in jkd the state of being yourself ), adaptive ( to change in order to improve your state and or to survive), instinct ( to punch,block,kick,evade or act without thought- or to attack, defend, or evade in reaction to anothers action without thought being processed ). i know these are not the way alot of people would define these words but i think that maybe this is close to how these words should be applied in jkd. anyway since noone is the same then the way you fight should fit your needs and who you are. the truth is, is that people can not be other people they can only be who they are. so if you try to be someone else or try to get their moves just right, it will not work good for you because it's not you. it's unnatural to try to copy something that just is not you and since it's not part of who you are it will never work well for you. anyway the main idea behide jkd is to be yourself, take what you already know about fighting and add, when you need more and when you need less subtract, to keep improving yourself and your way of fighting to add what works for you and to substract what does not work for you. somewhere in all of this adding and substracting you will grow more into yourself as a martial artist. so that's all from me for the moment so peace and i hope everyone has a good day.

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#138145 - 05/15/05 12:49 PM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: etaks86]
Chen Zen Offline
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Not bad at all.

Too many people worry about what Bruce did or didnt do. Are you Bruce? Do you train nearly as fervently as Bruce did? Are you in the same physical shape as Bruce and just as fast as him too?

Do you own thing. It'll prove to be much more effective.
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#138146 - 05/15/05 08:39 PM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Chen Zen]
etaks86 Offline
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Registered: 04/14/05
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thanks it feels good to find people that share some of the same opinons i have on jkd and other subjects. so peace to all.

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