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#138117 - 05/09/05 07:49 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Kataman23]
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No, bruce did use the word concept, just not in direct refernce to JK, which proves already that you think my arguement was soley about what he himself said... you would note that on may occasions he did say he is still formulating the style and bringing together its ideas (concepts) that he wishes to incoperate... pity his dead, or we wouldnt be having this arguement. basically what i was tying to say is that because how JKD is practised depends on the person, you cant be taught exactly how to do something, but merely the diffrent reasons behind why you would do it that way.

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#138118 - 05/09/05 07:51 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Kataman23]
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and sparing is not a realistic simulation of fighting, as in most styles you do not try to drive through and destroy the opponent, but merely take point shots and try out tecniques

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#138119 - 05/09/05 09:07 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Ace]
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No, the fact remains Bruce Lee DID NOT EVER use the word concept when referring to JKD when he spoke or in his writings.

Concept is an Inosanto word, NOT the man himself, Bruce Lee, the creator.


I AGREEE with you on sparring. You're right . Most sparring ESPECIALLY "TRADITIONL STYLE MA SPARRING" doesn't adequately simulate real life.It's just fantasy. If you get protective gear though and spar in a "JKD, non traditionl way " then you can better simulate real life contact.


Bruce Lee, the creator said this and I qoute " Learn the principle, abide by the principle, then dissolve the principle" - THIS IS JKD.


Edited by Kataman23 (05/09/05 09:09 AM)
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#138120 - 05/10/05 01:40 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Kataman23]
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For a name like kataman you know nothing about kata.

"try your katas in a biker bar."

good grief.
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#138121 - 05/10/05 05:24 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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sorry, just watched 'lost' inteveiw with Bruce, and he does use word concept.... and here are dictionary meanings, not exactly the same i admit, but both refer to generaliusations about objects/ides/other, which was what i was trying to get across.... your basically argueing for the point of it arent you? by the way... i hadnt even heard of guru Dan Isanato(spelling m,ay be wrong) therefore how could i qoute him...? And would nbot all principels start off as concepts?..... No?
The noun concept
Meaning #1: an abstract or general idea inferred or derived from specific instances
The noun principle
Meaning #1: a basic generalization that is accepted as true and that can be used as a basis for reasoning or conduct

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#138122 - 05/10/05 07:08 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Ace]
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Quote:

and sparing is not a realistic simulation of fighting, as in most styles you do not try to drive through and destroy the opponent, but merely take point shots and try out tecniques




Don't know about you, but I try and knock my opponent OUT on occassion. Wouldn't I do that on the street?

What's better, hard sparring or PRETEND training?


-John

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#138123 - 05/10/05 07:31 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: JKogas]
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yeh KO is the way to go, but many schools dicourage this as.... they lose customers who dont like getting knocked out, and it is a job for lots of people. but to answer your question, i like HARDEST sparing, as im not into letting my opponent attack me more than necesary, so i like to take him out of the picture... but this has nothing to do with being confused about JKD so.....


Edited by Ace (05/10/05 07:33 AM)

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#138124 - 05/10/05 07:55 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Ace]
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JKD is best suited for people that have a good grounding in a martial art and had learnt some forms or kata's, alot of people move onto JKD, few people start on JKD, or so im led to belive.

What I donít understand is how you can just 'do' JKD without prior training or understanding of structure and forms.

Does it use forms?

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#138125 - 05/10/05 08:00 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Bodiharma]
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dont think so

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#138126 - 05/10/05 08:07 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Ace]
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Bruce did wing chun, the first form, second, and the wooden dummy form, so its easy for him to say: "there is no form, forget everything" because he can, he's learnt something which he can then forget, like walking and breathing, blinking, etc.

back to the point i made a minute ago though, does JKD teach you basic wing chun then just apply a philosophy to it?

or is it Bruce Lee's interpretation of Wing Chun Kuen?

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