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#138107 - 05/04/05 12:04 PM Confused about JKD???
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I really am not into the whole JKD thing, but it got my interest and I started reading on it. After reading different articles from different persons I am very confused about the whole thing and wonder if it just was a move by Bruce Lee to seperate himself from everyone and stand out, or to remain a mystery. Some say JKD is just about Krishnamurti's philosophy . They say Bruce kind of lost it with the whole Krishnamurti thing, got away from his originl methods and turned off some guys he used to instruct. Thoughts on the true JKD??? Thank You.


My true intersts however are traditionl MA.


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#138108 - 05/04/05 05:41 PM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Kataman23]
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People are the problem with JKD. It's really a very simple philosophy made much more complex by people, for various reasons.

Krishnamurti was about nothing but the quest for truth - exactly what JKD is all about.

May I ask why your interests are with "traditional" martial arts? Isn't fighting, fighting and training, training? If not, WHY not?


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#138109 - 05/04/05 07:50 PM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Kataman23]
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Nice post, JKogas.

JKD is really simple, to the point that people think they must be "missing something". Then they try to add complexity where none exists, and makes it murky.

There may have been some commercial motive in the name JKD, but I really think BL was just trying to use his fame to get notariety for his concepts. Great concepts, but his fame blinded most everyone that attempted to look at the "system".

Most ended up just robotically aping the specific arts BL studied, instead of finding their own way - exactly what BL did not want.
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#138110 - 05/06/05 11:29 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Kataman23]
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I agree that jkd is simple focusing on simplicity and being adaptive and instinctive like you natural are to begin with until you allow your instincts to be disrupted by to many movements that are not at all simple and that have very little application purpose in real life fighting.

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#138111 - 05/06/05 11:54 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: etaks86]
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I think Jeet Kune Do was named because Bruce Lee had interception in mind. Try to intercept whenever possible. Too many defensive movements are the main mistake of most persons who do this art.


When you think about it INTERCEPTION is the most efficient. That's what Bruce Lee's philosophy was to be efficient.



I've considered this carefullly and now I have done away with my Katas, as I see now they are useless and not efficient. I probably should switch my name now


Edited by Kataman23 (05/06/05 11:57 AM)

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#138112 - 05/06/05 12:33 PM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Kataman23]
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yes i agree with you. there are to many moves in the triditional arts that are not effective in fighting. It seems that people are tricked into thinking that these methods or styles can make you able to be some master's master that no one can beat. I think movies play a large role in this by this i mean the whole master teaching student traditional martial art that will make him impervious to any fighter. I also think that jkd was also bruce lee's way of trying to eventrully stop this process of ineffective methods and styles.

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#138113 - 05/08/05 07:21 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: etaks86]
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From Bruce lees own words, he named it the intercepting fist because he believed never to defend, only counter attack... get it? hes interecpting any attack thrown at him... makes sense. The problem with JKD when people wish to learn it is that they go there wishing to learn a complete style, but the problem was JKD was never completed, and was never probably meant to be completed, as a good style is one that adapts to its environment. But, people who say they will teach you JKD are BS artists, its the ones who say they will teach you JKD CONCEPT that know what they are on about, just a bit of info for you...

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#138114 - 05/08/05 09:06 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Ace]
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It's interesting to note that Bruce Lee, the man himself, NEVER EVER used the word concept.






Edited by Kataman23 (05/08/05 11:22 AM)
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#138115 - 05/08/05 09:14 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: Kataman23]
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First:
"My true intersts however are traditionl MA"

Then:
"I've considered this carefullly and now I have done away with my Katas, as I see now they are useless and not efficient. I probably should switch my name now"

Flip flopper!! You really are confused!! If you don't want to do kata,don't do kata!! Woopeedo!! Kata's are far from useless though.
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#138116 - 05/08/05 09:44 AM Re: Confused about JKD??? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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For MA they might be usefull, but for self defense they are definitely not efficient nor useful. They have nothing to do with defending yourself against a live and resisiting opponent. I have one word SPAR.


Try your Katas out in a biker bar and see where it gets you.
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