Having read the last couple of posts, I would like to second Skiggsy's request for your info MC. Considering the bulk of this thread has been fuelled by the criticism of the schools covetous nature, not sharing what you have learnt puts you in the same metaphorical boat.

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Cord,

I appreciate what you are saying and I can see how you will have arrived at that conclusion.

However, please appreciate that I am trying to be considerate for my sources of information, as I would not wish to embark on a course of action which would or could cause them to be identified for reasons already stated in earlier posts.

Many thanks.

MC.

Cord,

I appreciate what you are saying and I can see how you will have arrived at that conclusion.

However, please appreciate that I am trying to be considerate for my sources of information, as I would not wish to embark on a course of action which would or could cause them to be identified for reasons already stated in earlier posts.

If I obtain their permission to do so, I will elaborate. Is that agreeable?

Many thanks.

MC.

MC,
Of course it is [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] I respect the keeping of a confidence. If you feel that the info you have would genuinely bring a new dimension to this thread, then to gain your friends permision would be most appreciated. I should re-iterate the premise for my interest in this thread is not the downfall of Bushido, nor to disrespect the members. I think that the teaching quality is good, I really like my old sensei as a person. I want the organisation to put itself out there on the merits of what it teaches and to drop the mytic nonsence. If you remove the Lies you can start afresh. Bruce lee created a new art, but he didnt tell people he learnt it from some bloke in a temple on a mountain. He stood up and let his methods speak for themselves and he flourished. On the other end of the scale, Look at Frank Dux. The truth will always catch up with the lie, sooner or later.

Well regardless of where the art was learned or the backround of the instructor, the main point is if he knows how to fight. I could care less if someone says there a grand master just to get wannabies to come to his school as long as he knows what he is talking about and is not afraid to step in the ring.
I train at a kick boxing club which was originaly uechi ryu karate, the instructor is probably 50 years old still competes in kickboxing but will fight anyone bar knuckle in the ring uechi style. If he told me he only had a yellow belt he got from a janitor I wouldn't think any less of him nor fight him.
I pay 25 dollars a month canadian for two 2 hour kickboxing classes a week and there is also 2 optionaly uechi classes, he puts out alot of good fighters and I think I am getting my moneys worth. If your rich and can pay 25 a class go for it, if not I would go somewhere else. The best quality about him is he will never ask you for money he just expects it as loyalty.

Read my last post again, we dont disagree. i dont think its terrible if a style or person is not rooted in tradition.The problem is that BAMA appear to be telling untruths to big themselves up. Your instructor stands on his own merit as a great MA, and you enjoy and respect what he has to teach. Now if he interspersed that knowledge with lies, would you have more or less confidence in his teachings?

Hello all. Particularly Cord & Skiggsy.

Hope the following is of some use to you in particular and the thread in general.

According to my sources, the other side of the story is this, 'and I'm quoting my
friends, this is from more than one source', and is as close as is possible word for
word. Nevertheless please bear in mind that I am not the worlds greatest stenographer
or typist.

Before we go any further I have to point out that I am making no claim as to the
accuracy or otherwise, but it does give a somewhat different perspective on the start of
Bushido, and in light of the multiplicity of other untruths which have emerged, you
the reader may consider this version to be more credible.

Jon said that Delane used to live in a caravan / mobile home and during a visit during
a cold spell, by Jon, and in order to save money, he (PD) did not putting the heating
on. Lynn was cold, Jon offered her his coat, Pete started mouthing at him in an
aggravated manner, Jon took great exception to this and got up and broke his (PD's)
nose. Jon told Pete to leave ZZK and left. (Effectively sacking PD). Pete then span the
story around in order to make himself look and sound good.

Now, should the above be accurate, then as someone said in an earlier post, "I
couldn't continue in something which is based on a lie". (Can't remember who it was
said it). It looks very much as though the 'whole Bushido thing' was based on a lie
from its very conception through the embryonic, fetus, and adolescent stages through
to maturity. All that seems to have happened is that the lies and deceptions have
grown it stature, along with PD's bank account.

Well boys and girls, you must draw your own conclusions. What I would say is. If it
looks like a Rat, and it smells like a Rat, there would seem to be a 99.9% chance that
it is a RAT.

Regards to all.

MC.

Interestig reply MC

As I stated in the last post there were only four people there, 2 for 2 agin - as I said even odds (slight contradiction of watsits there).

So unless your source was one of those, it is second or third hand. Bearing in mind that I saw PD the following day, he did not look like a man with a broken nose (not saying it didn't happen - am saying that I would not have suspected a broken nose) Do you have friends in the A&E dept who treated the injury?

There is nothing in your posting that offers any concrete evidence to substanciate what you are saying and as I keep attempting to point out, we will never know the truth.

If as you say, JA 'sacked' PD, why did he not attempt to replace PD as instructor? Did he not want the clubs? Did he not care about them? And to reiterate my queery, why did he not contact any of us locally to put his point forward?

As a matter of pedantic bitchiness on my part, if as you state JA gave PD a 'good smacking' why was he still walking the next day with only a black eye to show for it?

I am not saying the version of the story you report is not the true version, what I am saying is I don't know for sure - and neither do you in reality.