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#137369 - 02/17/05 03:42 PM Sai Practitioners..
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Wanted to see who here in the forum has chosen Sai as one of their weapons to learn. I would love to start a chat regarding the Sai to hear and learn your experiences. If any Sai practitioners out there, my first question is how did you come about in choosing to learn Sai? Thanks for any replies,
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#137370 - 02/17/05 03:57 PM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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I have ben using the sai for a year or more now, and i did not really choose to learn it, but it was the next weapon for me to learn in the curriculum of my Kobudo class.
I do like the sai though, they are good pokers and good bonkers, and since you can use them similarly to fighting with just your hands, i find them pretty easy and effective.

[This message has been edited by Sleepy-San (edited 02-17-2005).]

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#137371 - 02/17/05 08:22 PM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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Hey Hulk,

The sai are actually the first weapons that I began to learn. I started about 15 years ago and didn't really begin to appreciate them until about 6 years ago!

They are so much more than pokers and bonkers (although they are good for that). If you have a good pair they will not only teach you about your open hand technique, they will also put a weightlifting type of work-out on you.

They are not my all time favorite weapon, but I practice with them diligently and truly have come to appreciate their nuances.

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#137372 - 02/18/05 03:49 AM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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I have only been useing the sai for a couple of weeks and i have found them very effective but the moves are lemited!! if any one was any online videos of sai feel free to send them to me at webby1508@hotmail.com

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#137373 - 02/18/05 01:55 PM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BuDoc:
Hey Hulk,

The sai are actually the first weapons that I began to learn. I started about 15 years ago and didn't really begin to appreciate them until about 6 years ago!

They are so much more than pokers and bonkers (although they are good for that). If you have a good pair they will not only teach you about your open hand technique, they will also put a weightlifting type of work-out on you.

They are not my all time favorite weapon, but I practice with them diligently and truly have come to appreciate their nuances.

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BuDoc,
In what ways have you come to appreciate the Sais. After six years, wow! They must have grew on you. Are you familiar with the Okinowan Sai katas? Many people just take up Sai and practice and applicate moves opposed to learning Sai Katas as well. What other weapons do you know? Thanks,
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#137374 - 02/18/05 11:23 PM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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Hulk,

Yes the sai have grown on me! I do practice Okinawan sai kata. I only know a few however. They are Soken Sai, Hammahiga no Sai(the first that my students learn), Goten no Sai, Tsuken Shitohara Hakku no Sai, and Kinjo no Sai.

In addition to the sai I also practice: Bo, nitanbo, sanchaku bo, Tonfa, nunchaku, Eaku, Kama, Yari, and the Roche and Tinbe.

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#137375 - 03/15/05 11:02 AM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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Not much choice! The Isshinryu curriculum for BBs includes Kusanku Sai & Chatan Yara Sai. I really do like the last one, however it's very heavily right-handed. Even though I am too, it's nice to train symmetrically.

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#137376 - 03/15/05 04:12 PM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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I recently learned Yaka no Sai.
80+ movements, and quite difficult. Some very unique movements and footwork. Anyone else familiar with it?

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Are you familiar with Tsuken Asato (akacho) no Eiku Bo/Dai? Another great kata. Great classic eiku movements. Sand flips and oar slaps, heck yeah! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

-Al

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#137377 - 03/15/05 06:47 PM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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Hey Alejandro!

Not familiar with Yaka no sai. Could you post some info on it? Who is teacjing it? where is it handed down from?

Regards on learning the eaku. Very few people teach it anymore. With sai, bo, and nunchaku being highly glamorous, I worry that the eaku kata may become lost.

I introduce the eaku to my students only after they gain considerable experience with the bo. The first kata I teach them with the eaku is actually the bo kata Sakugawa no Kun. It is an advanced bo kata, but lends itself well to the eaku. Advanced students will learn Tsuken Akacho no eaku, Akahachi no eaku, and Tsuken Sunakake no eaku.

I too love the sand flipping and using the edges to cut and slash!

Regards,

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#137378 - 03/22/05 08:43 AM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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I have studied Kobudo for about 4yrs now. Our system is a blend of Matayoshi , and Ryukyu kobudo. We do about 12 okinawan Sai kata. Currently I have only learned: Higaiona No Sai, Kyan No Sai, Matsuhiga No Sai, Hamahiga No Sai , and Nicho Sai.
The sai is a phenominal weapon. The point of studying kobudo in modern times is not for its use on the street.( i know very well i will not be carrying my sai in my jacket). By studying the old kobudo kata you are walking in the footsteps of the masters who created them. You are preserving an art that would die out if noone practiced it. It is also a fantastic compliment to any empty handed styles that you may study. Many of the techniques found in sai kata can be applied to empty handed situations as well. The old okinawan kobudo kata are a wealth of knowledge.

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#137379 - 03/23/05 12:40 AM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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Chatan1979,
I study Kobudo for some time complementry to karate and I have come to the same conclusion. Some old 'street tricks', like throwing sand are still preserved in the Kobudo kata and no longer explained in the karate applications. It is a pitty that Japanese society dismissed Kobudo as a 'peasants art, unworthy to samourai' with the introduction of Toudi in the mainland Japan (although Mabuni tried). Otherwise the art would have been more largely accepted together with karate-do. What Kobudo thaught me the most, is the devestating impact of a technique (one decent hit and it's al over). As karate is geared towards a more popular interpretation with focus on sport and spiritual aspect, the search for devestating power and true techniques tends to be forgotten. Kobudo tends to bring me back to the roots of 'war fighting' and the spirit involved. It reflects also onto my karate training.
Kobudo has obsolutely no value in direct application for self-defence but it will create a very allert spirit.
But most of all, it is a lot of fun to do.

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#137380 - 03/25/05 09:43 AM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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i completely agree

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#137381 - 04/13/05 10:25 AM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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i have a set <jumping on the post sry> and have tried to adapt them to my tae kwon-do techniques as thats my chosen art, they do seem to fit well with sine wave movement and and flow of tkd,, but i have yet to find a karate class near me that will allow me to just learn some sai techniques. as im doing this for my own interest

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#137382 - 04/29/05 02:02 PM Re: Sai Practitioners..
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I started practicing with a set about 6 months ago. I found out a friend had a pair and asked if I could see them. She ended up lending them to me indefinitely, along with the appropriate Demura book. I too am using them with TKD and have just incorporated them into my open-hand forms. I found that it worked well with Dan-Gun, and with some modification was able to get lots of flipping blocks and strikes, as well as some backfists (which are excellent with the sai.)

I went to a competition (my first one) and used the Dan-Gun form. I realized that at competitions it's all about being flashy - not having good technique and an effective form. Control is important, but flash is more impressive.

However, I did run into a TKD black belt who was spinning the sais. He showed me how to flip them. I then had two karate black belts come over and tell me that was an inappropriate use of the weapon. The TKD BB told me later that he actually learned the spinning as part of a form. I figure spinning the sais is fun and cool-looking, and it's great exercise for my wrists - so I'm still practicing it. I figure if I ever come up against a katana-wielding opponnent, not spinning my sais will be the least of my worries. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

I found the flipping motion rather easy to learn, but I've found that it comes much more naturally to me now after six months of practice. It's also a weapon I can bring to the office and practice without scaring people (no blade or swinging bits.) If I'm sitting in my chair flipping one, the usual response is, "Ooh, can I see that?" Granted, I have a pretty laid-back office. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

Anyway, I like the sai. ATM, it's my favorite weapon - though I've only studied the bo, nunchaku and sai.

Doug

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