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#136468 - 02/16/05 11:47 PM Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Whenever you have two fighters of equal skill squaring off, footwork is almost always the deciding factor.

Every movement in fighting is based off of the footwork. It dictates your timing, range, power and speed of any tecnique, be it offensive or defensive. The footwork also determines the rythm of the fight as well as fluidity in movement and transitioning of balance and body weight.

With good footwork you will be able to move in any direction easily. This allows you to slip, pary, counter, evade, run, stop hit, takedown and add speed and power to your attack.

Every serious student of self defense should train his footwork at least one hour a day. Unfortunatly people dont always have this time to give up and even more unfortunate, most are too lazy to give the proper time needed to achieve proficiency in the one thing that could mean the difference between life and death.

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#136469 - 02/17/05 02:14 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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well zen i tend to agree with you on this one footwork is very important. its the base of all your attack and defence. nothing worse than a flat footed fighter

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#136470 - 02/17/05 05:48 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Agreed, Chen.

I have sparred with people that have had inferior hand technique to me, but had eqivalent or superior footwork, and found them to be tough to deal with.

Hands become much less useful when you can't get to the opponent.

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#136471 - 02/19/05 04:13 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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#136472 - 02/21/05 08:23 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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I was actually hoping to grab a certain members attention who recently had a debate over whether footwork or body mechanics were more improtant to technique.

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#136473 - 02/21/05 10:31 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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What are some good drills for footwork? Because I honestly have no idea what you guys are talking about when you say footwork.

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#136474 - 02/28/05 02:41 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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well Bruce got JKD's footwork from boxing and fencing. By foot work we mean 'how you use your feet to move around'. This includes forward, backward, sidestepping, twisting, and circling. Footwork is used to position yourself out of the way of attacks, to move into attack range, and also to supplement the structure of your attack, like you might quickly change your feet stance from the jkd southpaw stance to a right handed stance so you can launch a more powerful thai roundhouse with your (now) rear leg or right cross or shovel hook.

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#136475 - 03/04/05 08:59 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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footwork IS improtant if you dont have footwork you cant move which does not help in a fight. you could use your hands maybe [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#136476 - 03/04/05 10:38 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Bruce lee was a very good cha cha-dancer. That definitely affected his own personal footwork. Dancing is very beneficial, IMHO.

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#136477 - 03/07/05 11:18 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Of course foot work is the most important part of fighting, especially in punching. The hand is just a delivery system, without proper foot work and use of the leg muscles a punch is rather weak.

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#136478 - 03/17/05 04:45 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Yes, yet one of the most underrated ways of using footwork, by ignorant martial artists, is Shaolin footwork. Its ability to have solid (immovable) structure, and yet and incredible amount of speed available is unparalleled. The stances aren't used as stationary (ignorant misconception), but rather as flowing. The moment somebody moves close to attack, or tries to take advantage of the stance's weakness you flow into another one to either direct-counter attack or evasion. They proved firm rooting, and great stability and power for punches and kicks. By simply looking at them, this cannot be understood, you would have to see someone with vast Shaolin experience to show you.

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#136479 - 03/20/05 04:30 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Could you maybe explain what Shaolin footwork is? Or if you don't want to do that maybe give me some instructional links?

Thnx
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#136480 - 03/26/05 06:05 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Or not? :

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#136481 - 03/26/05 09:08 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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yeah I'd like linkage to what you're talking about, but for now the JKD footwork suffices for the direction I'm headed.

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#136482 - 03/27/05 12:30 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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alright i'll admit that footwork is fairly important but the fact is that it isn't the most important thing in a fight, namely because no matter how good you are at least one point in any fight you engage in, your footwork will not always be perfect or good and you will have to improvise because you are either in a bad position or are off balance so therefore it isn't really the most important factor

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#136483 - 03/27/05 10:38 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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But with good enough footwork you can aviod being off balance.

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#136484 - 04/03/05 12:48 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Footwork is in my opinion the most important. Like Chen said, it dictates everything in a fight.

loneswordsman,

While you were trying to disagree you completely contradicted yourself.

[QUOTE]your footwork will not always be perfect or good and you will have to improvise because you are either in a bad position or are off balance [/QUOTE]

So from this quote above i take it you feel that a person with "perfect" footwork would not be left in a bad position or off balance? Do you see where you have contradicted yourself?

People spend years learning and trying to perfect techniques, rhythm, timing and distancing. If they don't learn good footwork they will be hard pressed to put them all together into a fluid, cohesive form.

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#136485 - 04/06/05 08:41 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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I must definitely agree with footwork being one of the most important things in a fighters arsenal. Believe me it usually saves my butt or help dominate. I am 5'8" and around 160lbs. but most of the guys in the gyms I've worked out at are usually around 6'0" + 200lbs+ and my footwork usually helps me actually if not help me out actually gets my offensive and defensive in such a flow that I end up giving these bigger guys a real tough time.

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#136486 - 04/09/05 03:13 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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laf, how is that contradicting myself? sure good footwork is nice but you can't always have perfect footwork, you will mess up one time or another and you will have to improvise with some action to save yourself. honestly i don't see how that is contradicting what i said

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#136487 - 04/09/05 03:18 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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i'll admit a person with absolutely no footwork is going to be a wreck and it is a big factor but it isn't the most important cause you can just stand straight and beat the hell out of someone coming at you without using your legs. footwork is only a basis, the rest you have to figure on ur own

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#136488 - 04/09/05 04:29 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Your legs have a lot to do with punching power.

Your right though, good footwork is only a basis...

Without it, your basically screwed [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif[/IMG]

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#136489 - 04/09/05 06:17 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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Yea okay footwork is an important factor. But let me ask you this. So what if you can move around very well. What does it matter if you have no speed, no strength, no stamina, no technique? What if two fighters are equally skilled in footwork whats the deciding factor then? Okay lets say your footwork is very good but what if you can't take hits, no matter what in a fight unless the person is a complete noob your going to get hit you think footwork is going to matter then? Whatever happened to strategy in battle?
Whatever happned to skill? Is footwork all that really matters? Don't be foolish.


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#136490 - 04/13/05 05:51 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting
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http://home.vtmuseum.org/articles/peterson/mabu.php

That is i think relevant, if you want a more accurate description of what Bagua Monk was talking about.

Footwork is not everything but it can certaainly give you the edge i a fight, and it certainly essential

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#136491 - 05/07/05 06:20 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting [Re: Chen Zen]
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Chen Zen wrote :
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Every serious student of self defense should train his footwork at least one hour a day




Could you give some drills that train footwork? I think Paul Vunak said to tie together your two ankles at shoulder width apart and go sparring for an hour. What do you think about that?

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#136492 - 05/08/05 04:59 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting [Re: Striker]
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i think that's good for a ma's footwork you know the rope and ankle thing i've done that before. it really makes you keep your footwork in check, you know it makes you work on your footwork. i think footwork is very important in fighting but i wouldn't call it the single most important aspect of fighting but it is very important. but i think that someone who wants to be their best in martial arts should be equally good with their arms, legs, and with their body as a whole.

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#136493 - 05/10/05 08:07 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting [Re: etaks86]
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yeh.. in importance, footwork wins, after all, you can hit someone if your arms are spastic (no offence ment) but if your five meters away you cant... so, although they were crappy examples, if you can control your footwork, you can control the fight.

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#136494 - 05/10/05 08:18 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: Ace]
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My Sifu started learning Tai Chi Quan about a year ago, and Iíve noticed that he rarely uses his feet or footwork anymore, itís like he hardly ever moves when he fights its more of a jump, obviously itís an exaggeration, but compared to when he had more of a Chor Lay Fut style, he hardly moves at all.

This leads me to believe the footwork is paramount when learning and practicing external styles, but (donít get me wrong) no as important in internal styles?

Doesnít that make any sense?

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#136495 - 05/10/05 08:49 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: Bodiharma]
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Internal styles have alot to do with breathing and as such, where external styles have more to do with your physical movement having direct impact on environmet, so yes, footwork is more important in external styles, alhough some internal styles makes extensive use of footwork too.

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#136496 - 05/10/05 03:23 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: Bodiharma]
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My Sifu started learning Tai Chi Quan about a year ago, and Iíve noticed that he rarely uses his feet or footwork anymore, itís like he hardly ever moves when he fights its more of a jump, obviously itís an exaggeration, but compared to when he had more of a Chor Lay Fut style, he hardly moves at all.

This leads me to believe the footwork is paramount when learning and practicing external styles, but (donít get me wrong) no as important in internal styles?

Doesnít that make any sense?




thank`s to my student for introducing me to this forum (bodiharma) i`ve been studying martial arts over twenty years now & teaching for about ten ialso agree & instill in my students no matter what style you study foot work is vitaly important. the styles i teach are wing chun choi li fut short yang form tai chi and am currently learning what is thought to be the original yang lu chan tai chi my instructor trains with Earl Montague who now resides in the uk. my student was alittle of base with my foot work as i do move but use explosive energy called fai jing.

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#136497 - 05/17/05 08:16 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: fai_jing]
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Ok Here A good question Can you win a fight with footwork alone?(Don't include kicking for thoughs who try to be smart).

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#136498 - 05/18/05 12:10 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: DBZInspired]
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Ok Here A good question Can you win a fight with footwork alone?(Don't include kicking for thoughs who try to be smart).



Why yes you can. Just a small example of this, Mr Miyagi in the Karate kid.
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#136499 - 05/20/05 06:52 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: Chen Zen]
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In my opinion foot work main purpose is to acquire ultimate BALANCE in any position. Its not how fast you can evade a punch with your foot work its if you can evade a punch and still have complete balance because the punch usually hits you when your off balance. By practicing foot work the better or faster you become the more balance you will need to control your foot work.
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#136500 - 05/31/05 09:46 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: DBZInspired]
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Ok Here A good question Can you win a fight with footwork alone?(Don't include kicking for thoughs who try to be smart).




Define "win". Offensively, if you extend footwork to include leg buckles, leg traps, and leg checks, I would say yes. Having your opponent fall face first on concrete or hyper-extending his knee may be enough to let him know that if things do get more serious, he could get hurt badly.

Defensively, I would think that it would have to affect someone psycologically if everytime they tried to hit you, you simply were not there. After a while, I think they would realize they were in over their head and may want to reconsider. Checking all his movement before he can get off his attacks may discourage him enough to make them give up.

So yeah, it could feasibly win the fight for you.
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#136501 - 05/31/05 01:48 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: DBZInspired]
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Quote by DBZInspired -

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Ok Here A good question Can you win a fight with footwork alone?(Don't include kicking for thoughs who try to be smart).




I'm sorry to inform you, but you really can not seperate footwork from kicks. Kicks are merely extensions of footwork.

The common front kick is really just a normal step, extended and pushed forward.

The sidekick is really just a side-step, raised and extended, etc.

And so on.

If you mean to ask if a fight can be won strictly by using defense, that is another question.
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#136502 - 06/07/05 08:19 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: DBZInspired]
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Ok Here A good question Can you win a fight with footwork alone?(Don't include kicking for thoughs who try to be smart).




Must have been a good question to have been referenced so many times.

I have seen footwork win the fight many times. The classic example was Mohammad Ali. His no non-sense hit and fade tactics had him punching one minute and circling the guy the next.

Another great martial arts clip I have seen protrays Dog Brother Eric Knaus (Top Dog) in a full contact stick match strike his opponent behind the knee ( while dodgin a pre-emptive shot...foot work on this motion was brilliant) and fade away before the other guy could do anything.

Footwork can make all the difference in the world and can go along way to controlling the fight. Has footwork ever won the fight on it's own...I think if you could properly manuever your opponnent into oncomming traffic during rush hour...got a good chance of winning that one.

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#136503 - 06/07/05 01:39 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: kroh]
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Footwork is very important for me (including kicks as a part of "footwork"). I can't always compete against the guys when it comes to punches, but my kicks can help make things more equal. I don't have as much power/physical strength as a man would, so I need to make sure that what I do have as a strength has to be the best it possible can me (I don't say perfect b/c 1) I am far from that 2) nothing is ever perfect).
Also, considering others, if you are not solid on your feet, executing whatever, then what you did probably won't be delivered as effectively if your footwork had been strong.
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#136504 - 06/29/05 03:01 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: DBZInspired]
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Ok Here A good question Can you win a fight with footwork alone?(Don't include kicking for thoughs who try to be smart).



Well, if you have good footwork and endurance, you could just evade all their attacks and tire them out till they can't fight and you win by default.
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#136505 - 06/29/05 03:36 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: joeyxsama]
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footwork can win a fight. lure them into areas where when they miss you, the environment punishes them, i.e. punching a locker (that was my favorite tactic in HS)
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#136506 - 08/03/05 09:47 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: Chen Zen]
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Footwork (i.e. running) as you talk about it is important to those who don't want to have their hair messed up in a fight. You cannot avoid getting hit, taken down, or thrown through footwork alone. Footwork is usually coupled with bobbing and weaving and feinting and grabbing and parrying and blocking and stop kicks and punches and kicks. Thinking you can dodge and avoid every attempted offense towards your person is ludicrous.

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#136507 - 08/07/05 12:18 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of [Re: cinattra]
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While all of the things you listed are often coupled with footwork, non of them are effective without it.
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#136508 - 08/08/05 04:30 PM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting [Re: Striker]
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Chen Zen wrote :
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Every serious student of self defense should train his footwork at least one hour a day




Could you give some drills that train footwork? I think Paul Vunak said to tie together your two ankles at shoulder width apart and go sparring for an hour. What do you think about that?




What are some other footwork drills that people have found effective besides sparring and repetition?


Edited by umsangil (08/08/05 04:37 PM)

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#136509 - 08/13/05 02:23 AM Re: Footwork: The single most important aspect of fighting [Re: umsangil]
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Hackey sack. It isnt a drill. Its freeform but works on eye- foot coordination as well as footwork.
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