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#136024 - 12/30/04 01:03 PM any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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please tell me how there get on in the UFC
thanks

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#136025 - 12/30/04 03:05 PM Re: any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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Don't quite understand your question.


It could be argued that there are nothing BUT JKD fighters in the UFC anymore.


-John

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#136026 - 12/30/04 11:58 PM Re: any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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its hard for me to believe that some one that understands jeet kune do would become a ufc fighter

I think that he might have taken jkd for the wrong reasons? to learn jkd only to fight a stupid match that risk death and for what? Not only that ufc has rules you realy cant use jkd in it

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#136027 - 12/31/04 07:49 AM Re: any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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I think JKogas makes a good point.

JKD is not about the individual techniques (that could or could not be used in a tournament), but rather about using whatever will work in a particular situation.

Dr. Jerry Beasley has said before that he thinks of JKD as more of a philosophy, rather than a codified system of techniques.

I agree with him.

Saying that, I feel there is nothing to stop a "JKD person" from entering a tournament. If the goal is to use what works for the situation, why couldn't they find techniques to work in a sport situation?

To hide behind the "street only" facade of JKD seems to me to go against the idea of JKD.

The MMA philosophy IS Jeet Kune Do!



[This message has been edited by MattJ (edited 12-31-2004).]

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#136028 - 01/01/05 10:06 PM Re: any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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Although I agree with JKD being a philosophy and that since the people in the UFC use what they see as working best you could argue that they all use JKD, I'm gonna disagree with that argument since JKD is still taught. You don't use Jeet Kune Do unless you actually train in it, or so is my opinion.

A lot of things that are taught in Jeet Kune Do don't work in the tournament circuit because of the rules. Since we use foul tactics and some breaks that don't double as holds (I.E. you have to do them fast to pull them off) and you can't use those in a tournament not many JKD people go into it.

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#136029 - 01/02/05 07:23 AM Re: any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Madrox:

You don't use Jeet Kune Do unless you actually train in it, or so is my opinion.
[/QUOTE]

Why? Please explain?


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Madrox:

A lot of things that are taught in Jeet Kune Do don't work in the tournament circuit because of the rules.
[/QUOTE]

Then how do you know that they work at ALL?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Madrox:

Since we use foul tactics and some breaks that don't double as holds (I.E. you have to do them fast to pull them off) and you can't use those in a tournament not many JKD people go into it.
[/QUOTE]

But you don't REALLY do them while you're training do you? I mean, you don't actually break anyones bones in training, right?

Do you believe that every fighter in the UFC uses everything he knows or is capable of?

-John

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#136030 - 01/02/05 03:20 PM Re: any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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[QUOTE]Dr. Jerry Beasley has said before that he thinks of JKD as more of a philosophy, rather than a codified system of techniques.

I agree with him.
[/QUOTE]
I, on the other hand disagree. If JKD is a "philosophy" then why does everyone who teaches it (including Dan Inosanto) say that in order to be good at JKD you must train in the basics of June Fan kung fu? If there are basics then it is a style (or a shcool, which ever you prefer).
Further proof of this is that countless JKD practitioners basically mimic the way Bruce fought. They use his favorite techniques and methods. This proves it's not just a philosophy even if peole do "flavor" it with other styles that Bruce wasn't into.

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#136031 - 01/02/05 03:36 PM Re: any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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Hello Bandit Killer.

I think Dan Inosanto was refering to learning martial arts basics, period. Not specifically Jun Fan.

Arguments can be made either way regarding the style/philosophy status of JKD. To learn anything requires an understanding of the basics. But if you really read into what Bruce was saying, he never intended his students to follow his training regime exactly.

He wanted them to explore and find their own way.

Sadly, you are correct about many JKD people imitating Bruce Lee. But that was not his intent.

[This message has been edited by MattJ (edited 01-02-2005).]

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#136032 - 01/02/05 04:45 PM Re: any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bandit Killer:
[QUOTE]Dr. Jerry Beasley has said before that he thinks of JKD as more of a philosophy, rather than a codified system of techniques.

[/QUOTE]

I, on the other hand disagree. If JKD is a "philosophy" then why does everyone who teaches it (including Dan Inosanto) say that in order to be good at JKD you must train in the basics of June Fan kung fu?





I don't agree that you have to train in the basics of Jun Fan. In fact, I think doing so will only delay your development as a fighter.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bandit Killer:

If there are basics then it is a style (or a shcool, which ever you prefer).
[/QUOTE]

Then why did Lee himself (the creator) say that JKD was NOT a style? Do you want to doubt the very creator of JKD?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bandit Killer:

Further proof of this is that countless JKD practitioners basically mimic the way Bruce fought.
[/QUOTE]

And they have ALL missed the boat. That would be like ME trying to mimick Muhammed Ali. Only Ali could fight like Ali. Only Lee could fight like Lee. Only I can fighting like I can.

JKD is about the individual, not the creator, not the "style" or is it about mimicking anyone else. Direct quotes by Lee himself substantiate this.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bandit Killer:

They use his favorite techniques and methods. This proves it's not just a philosophy even if peole do "flavor" it with other styles that Bruce wasn't into.

[/QUOTE]

That's exactly why Lee closed DOWN the JKD schools. He SAW what people were doing and noticed they were all headed the wrong way.

-John

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#136033 - 01/02/05 11:36 PM Re: any good jeet kune do fighters in UFC
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Not going to answer all those for me since I said it was my opinion. As for knowing if the techniques really work at all, well, it's obvious they do. Wrist locks work, eye jabs work, groin shots work, etc. And no, of course I don't really break bones and stuff training. I'm sure none of the fighters in the UFC use what they're fully capable of, but they do train specifically for tournament fighting.

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