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#135952 - 12/17/04 12:28 AM FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
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I was rereading some of our posts, and came across the takezo/Musashi reference. I did some research and learned a few things. However, I was curious about one thing that no one seemed to touch on. What was the significance and reasoning behind changing the surname from Takezo to Musashi?

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#135953 - 12/23/04 11:41 AM Re: FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
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Hi, Chen. Check your e-mail.

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#135954 - 12/23/04 08:26 PM Re: FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
Chen Zen Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MAGon:
Hi, Chen. Check your e-mail.[/QUOTE]

My email has been corrupted. I have to set up a new account. I will do this within the next day and notify everyone here when I do.

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#135955 - 12/24/04 06:19 AM Re: FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
My email has been corrupted. I have to set up a new account. I will do this within the next day and notify everyone here when I do.[/QUOTE]

OK, bud.
I e-mailed you my response in order not to impose on the other members. After all, the moderator might get upset. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]
The short version is that the Kanji ideograms used to write "Takezo" can also be read as "Musashi". When he decided to break with his past and begin his shugyo, instead of changing his given name he merely changed the way he pronounced the characters that made it up. For a surname he took up the name of his hometown ("Miyamoto". I've also seen it as "Minamoto". That's probably another of the quirks of pronunciation or just plain regional differences that seem to abound in Japanese). So by this simple expedient "Musashi from Miyamoto" came to be. BTW, later in life he again changed his name, but the one that stuck was Miyamoto Musashi.


[This message has been edited by MAGon (edited 12-24-2004).]

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#135956 - 12/24/04 12:07 PM Re: FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
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MAgon,

Another Musashi fan I see - nice (correct) answer.

Be well,

- KiDoHae [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif[/IMG]

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#135957 - 12/24/04 08:34 PM Re: FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
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The other name being "Kenshi" or Sword Saint?

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#135958 - 12/27/04 08:50 AM Re: FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
The other name being "Kenshi" or Sword Saint?[/QUOTE]

No, "Kenshi" was an honorific popular "nickname" that the Japanese people gave to Musashi. I have no idea how this came to be.
The other name(s. I seem to recollect he might've changed it more than once. This was a common enough thing among samurai of the age. Sometimes honorific names were bestowed by their superiors, and adopted with pride) he took on later in life I don't recall, other than it was one of these bestowed honorifics, and that it was about a mile long!!! I think I can find it in my books, if you're really interested. Or if you're in a hurry, try the sword arts forum.

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#135959 - 12/31/04 09:41 PM Re: FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
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MAGON

Id like to hear your version of it if I may. If only for your comparison and the reason behind it.

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#135960 - 01/04/05 11:23 AM Re: FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
MAGON

Id like to hear your version of it if I may. If only for your comparison and the reason behind it.
[/QUOTE]

Hooo!!! I was hoping you'd say "Nah, I'll look it up myself." OK, I'll see if I can come up with it. Now, if I could only remember where my copy of the "Go Rin No Sho" is...

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#135961 - 04/17/05 05:23 PM Re: FAO: MAgon/ Takezo-Musashi
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Musashi used many names over his life, like many did at that time. I all depended on who he was addressing and what image he was trying to convey.

Oh I believe the word that you were looking for was kensai (sword saint) and not kenshi (sightseer, fencer, autopsy). Fencer is fesible but I have never seen him refered to as kenshi.

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