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#135926 - 01/21/05 08:52 PM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack?
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Darn it you beat me to it. they are commonly called siko guntings. siko being the Tagalog term for elbow.

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#135927 - 02/16/05 08:56 AM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack?
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as mentioned above, limb destruction comes from the kali side of jkd, as it mimics the slashing movement of a knife across the attacking hand.
if you imagine a vertical snap punch, to destroy the hand you would/could bring your elbow up and across from right to left (i.e your hand goes from chambered to almost meeting your left shoulder) the movement would be the same if you had a knife in your hand.
takes time to perfect but is very effective.

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#135928 - 05/05/05 01:15 AM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack? [Re: Wolfpack]
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Elbow is very effective^^
Some people say that they use it in far range, i disagree with that Elbow is always used in a close Gap, u can use it to deliver a strike to the neck,chest and even the arm. It is only effective in close range not far range.

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#135929 - 05/05/05 07:10 AM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack? [Re: sjd]
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Elbow is very effective^^
It is only effective in close range not far range.




I think the elbow certainly has its uses in the long range (far range). It comes into play when you're just outside of his punching range. In training I always face off, just outside of punching range to force my opponent to have to take a step in order to reach me with his jab or cross. I know from that distance, such an attack will HAVE to be to my face (and most people are "head hunters").

As he steps in to deliver the shot, I simply put my elbow up in front of my face while feinting back slightly. Viola, the punch lands right on the tip of the elbow with pretty good accuracy. And that's from the outside range.

Pretty high percentage technique as well with rates of aproximately 75% or higher (with practice).


-John

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#135930 - 05/07/05 01:50 PM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack? [Re: Wolfpack]
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I believe that the elbow isn't a good attack at long range because there are other techniques that are more efficient. A punch or bil jee has a better reach. The elbow is still a great technique, It can be used very effectively as a counter attack or after a feint. Eg. feint to the head and as their hand or attention is directed upwards, throw the elbow to the body. I wouldn't depend on the elbow as a core technique, however, only use it when a good opportunity presents itself.
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#135931 - 05/10/05 01:30 PM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack? [Re: sjd]
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you know you can do that elbow horizontal to the fist too right? I was just mentioning that because I have only seen jkd do it vertical. I like to parry the arm from the outside and do a rainbow motion elbow straight down onto the arm.

Travis

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#135932 - 05/10/05 01:33 PM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack? [Re: Chen Zen]
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I dont know if I already posted this or not but you know Bruce lee didnt just "make up" the idea of attacking other peoples attacks right? He took that from phillipino and indonesian empty hand. That stuff was already there a LONG time ago and there are many more variations.

Travis

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#135933 - 05/10/05 09:46 PM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack? [Re: jkdwarrior]
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I believe that the elbow isn't a good attack at long range because there are other techniques that are more efficient.




The elbow I was referring to is called a destruction or "spike". It's a defensive maneuver that becomes quite offensive when your opponent's fist lands on it. If you see what I'm saying.

Travis-
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you know you can do that elbow horizontal to the fist too right? I was just mentioning that because I have only seen jkd do it vertical.
Travis




Thats basically what I was referring to. I use a more vertical elbow. I do it a little differently than I have seen many JKD guys do it though. It's done out of a boxing structure with not a lot of arm movement.

-John

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#135934 - 05/11/05 05:39 PM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack? [Re: JKogas]
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The elbow I was referring to is called a destruction or "spike". It's a defensive maneuver that becomes quite offensive when your opponent's fist lands on it. If you see what I'm saying.

Yeah, good idea.
For the purposes of destroying your opponent's attack though it's going to be more efficient to attack on the opponent's preparation with the fastest technique from the weapon that's nearest the target. I can do it sometimes, but against someone who doesn't telegraph much, it's bloody difficult. A good question to ask I suppose is how to tell when someone is preparing an attack. I have a few answers i'll get to in a minute, but I would like to hear if anyone has any clues they could add to my list, or indeed if they have noticed these in sparring or a fight:
Biting of tongue or lip,
A quick galnce sideways,
Coming up onto the balls of the feet,
Retraction of the attacking weapon,
Freezing,
Jaw clenching,
Brows lowering,
Growling.
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#135935 - 05/18/05 06:20 PM Re: Destroying Your Opponents Attack? [Re: jkdwarrior]
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imagine there whole waist to neck area is a triangle. Basically you stare at the center and you should be able to see shoulder movement which proceeds a punch or hip movement which is before a kick. Their expression can lie though because they can look one way and hit you, it doesnt really matter how emotionally they look. THey might look scared and hit you. Gotta watch the root then go for the root so you can jam those areas.

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