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#135833 - 03/06/05 05:54 PM Re: Training to fight only the best.
Chen Zen Offline
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Kook,

Sure your training would change, especially if it is traditional.

When training to fight the best there is, you often overlook certain techniques because they are less "probable" At the same time you also throw things out that are truly useless against a skilled opponent.

Eventually it all looks like boxing. Once everyone trains this way, is it still as effective?

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#135834 - 03/06/05 09:21 PM Re: Training to fight only the best.
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UFC and PrideFC dudes aint even close to being the best, the best ones can only be found on that dreaded 'S' word. I train not to fight, but incase one of those dudes is not a good person and threatens me or my loved ones.

"I don't fight because of want, I do because of need." I think that goes along with "You must have a passion other than fighting to be a good fighter."

I think that makes alot of sense, that's why people who train to fight will NEVER even come close to me.

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#135835 - 03/07/05 06:19 AM Re: Training to fight only the best.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
Kook,

Sure your training would change, especially if it is traditional.

When training to fight the best there is, you often overlook certain techniques because they are less "probable" At the same time you also throw things out that are truly useless against a skilled opponent.

Eventually it all looks like boxing. Once everyone trains this way, is it still as effective?
[/QUOTE]

How could it ever look like boxing? When training to fight the best there is, I assume we are still fighting the best there is outside the ring right?

And if a technique is useless against a skilled opponent why would you ever need it?

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#135836 - 03/07/05 08:02 AM Re: Training to fight only the best.
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Any reality based hand to hand system eventually resembles boxing. Thats not to say that the footwork is the same. Or that you might not throw a kick or two but that the actual punches resmble boxing. It occurs all over the world. An observation of real fighting shows that.

Why would you need a technique that wouldnt work against a skilled opponent? Well, not everyone is skilled. Lets say for a moment that the skilled opponent being reffered to has some skill with Muay Thai, as most MMA guys do. Now since this is the case, its less likely that you will hit a low level kick, and even less likely that the low level kick is going to damage the structure. Does this mean that the kick is less effective and should be dropped from the curriculum? Its still going to work against joe schmoe. Eventually, it seems that it all gets streamlined,which is good, but if you do this too much then you lose out on some great things, and everyone begins to fight like everyone else. That isnt JKD. Thats a style. An automatic response directed for the masses and it eventually will fall apart.

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#135837 - 03/07/05 03:10 PM Re: Training to fight only the best.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oozuru:
UFC and PrideFC dudes aint even close to being the best, the best ones can only be found on that dreaded 'S' word.
[/QUOTE]

What's that dreaded "S word"? You mean that guys on the street are better fighters than the athletic, conditioned, TRAINED fighters that you see in Pride and the UFC?

WOW! That's really amazing! Why don't the "street guys" then enter one of those tournaments and kick all of their butts just to prove how good they are?


Thanks

-John

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#135838 - 03/07/05 03:41 PM Re: Training to fight only the best.
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Cause the street don't got rules.

WOW, that was easy. I've been know for quick responses, some of which are witty.

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#135839 - 03/07/05 04:29 PM Re: Training to fight only the best.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oozuru:
Cause the street don't got rules.

WOW, that was easy. I've been know for quick responses, some of which are witty.
[/QUOTE]

That didn't really answer the question of why these "nebulous" street fighters don't enter these competitions and prove themselves.

Or wait, perhaps they already have and we just don't realize it??? Maybe? I don't know.

Or, may they would just get the crap beat out of them with rules???

-John

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#135840 - 03/07/05 06:03 PM Re: Training to fight only the best.
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Sometimes you just...

some of the UFC fighters ARE street fighters. If I recall correctly Tank Abbott uses street tactics, that's limited to hand-to-hand of course. And why do sooooooooooooooooooooooomany people OVERestimate Mike Tyson, I'm sure Tank is one of 'those' few people who can take more than one punch from Tyson. I here people say "no one can survive Mike Tyson's hits." My older bro prob could, and I can make my bro's punches look like slaps compared to mine. See, it all works out, "no one stands outside the circle."

I hereby claim all rights to that quote.

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#135841 - 03/07/05 07:03 PM Re: Training to fight only the best.
JKogas Offline
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All I'm trying to figure out is how these 'street fighters' would outdo all of the worlds better MMA fighters.

I'd asked you a question and you still haven't really answered it.

Not looking for an argument. Just an intelligent discussion.

-John

[This message has been edited by JKogas (edited 03-07-2005).]

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#135842 - 03/07/05 09:08 PM Re: Training to fight only the best.
Anonymous
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I'm not avoiding the question, I already answered it, "why don't some of these street fighters enter and kick the MMA fighter's butts?"

I said "some of the UFC fighters ARE street fighters," does it register now?

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