I think the misconception is that chi sao is a fighting technique, but its not its an excercise and the compound trapping drills are excercises also meant to enhance sensitivity and hand flow and reaction, and the claim that that range does not exist is a myth because that is the great thing about trapping you can do it passively or offensively so if the range is not there you can make it there by pressing the fight, trapping does work its difficult but the rewards are well worth it man.

so are ya saying that because we are born without the natural gifts of a street brawler, we have no right to use a tool like jkd to enhance what gifts we do have so that we can not get lit up by the brawler?

Confidence is the key factor in this "real fighters" that and just being as you put it " a bull" but that just means that they are big dumb animals. In my days of being a bouncer it doesnt always matter if one has muscles. (doesnt hurt to have them) Like a few have said in here use what sperates us from the other animals and use your greatest weapon which is reason. If that doesnt work then use you second greatest weapon...your element of suprise. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

[This message has been edited by Rougewarrior (edited 04-26-2005).]