Can I just say: WHAT A BRILLIANT POST.

I genuinely mean that.

Ok.

Facts.

Pete delane is so scared of going out into the martial arts community, that he has created fanciful stories, convincing the trusting students that are in his power, that the BAMA is the best martial art in the world.....
that there Karate is over 1000 years old!!

yeah right!!!

The high level teachers are so frightened about what else might be out there that they end up imprisoned inside Pete Delanes vision!

or more correctly - his financial empire!

Even "White Mask" is scared about admitting the fact that his entire martial arts career is a sham. The facts are very clear, yet you still feel like you owe the false master more and more....high level teachers with integrity leave and the others stay, in hope that all of this is a lie.

The man isnt enlightened, he doesnt have an unconditional love for man, he doesnt think of others before himself. He selfishly ruins lives, treating those in his control like pawns in a game. I only hope that he learns to understand the true meaning of Karma
(not BAMA Karma tm)
because he must truly hate himself when he looks in the mirror.

Go to other clubs, find good teachers that dont emotionally blackmail you into subservience.

Master Shugi Wugi
Nail Head Hit
Excellent Work, Brilliant.

Excellent posts.

I think i was one of the students in the seminar where pete was late due to a late flight from japan.....

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oldman

Dim_Mak_2004
sorry to take so long to reply to your opening statement but just to be a little rectal and make sure that we get the facts straight the promotion to 4th dan was pd's idea (edict) there was no telephone call from any one else.
One interestig thing - for you more devoted anoraks - (myself included) is that if you attempt to trace any history back to ZZK/ZSR (jon Alexander) there is some history but no mention of PD

Hi all, did Bushido for 6/7 years, started in the late 80's. Interesting thread. You have to remember whatever else you do believe Pete Delane is a fantastic MA exponent (possibly one of the best ever).

I actually got on very well with him though realise he's not everyone's cup of tea.

Not sure why the history of Bushido is that important if the man himself is as good as he undoubtedly is.

Not even sure why I left (obviously I wasn't brain washed enough, lol) as it did me the world of good.

Do think like all organisations though it has it's problems. Not sure if Pete Delane himself is one of them as I found I could easily converse with him, whether white belt or 1st Dan I eventually obtained. While some of the so called higher grades we're very very arrogant and untouchable in terms of talking too.
In saying that other's we're the opposite. Example you couldn't get a nod out of say sentosen (Nottingham's main man) or Bruton, while Bob Mcfarlane (think that was his name) Barry sen we're very friendly (until you got down to business).

As for people having ago (mainly the earlier posters) at the style, why not join for 6 months, you'll be surprised at how good it is. Though saying that been out of it for a few years so maybe it has gone down hill if the money is too paramount.
But either way Shudin (pete Delane) is a **** hot exponent of MA, as are many of the brain washed sen's under him............well they must be brain washed they've only been with him for 20 + years, so it's obvious he's crap and there all brain washed, lol.

Interesting last reply, about which, I could not disagree as it was a personal opinion, all of which should be respected. Where's the but I hear you all ask. I have just finnished replying to a direct e'mail to me from an ex Bristol instructor, who felt, as I did - and still do, that PD, his training, and other dan grades were good at what they did. I enjoyed my time with Bushido (ZZK)and sort of got on ok with PD (lunch at the mobile home involvement in the upper echelon etc).

What concerns me is that PD was a good instructor (I had trained with Kyoshinkai - seen Steve arniel teach, Mas oyama, trained at a Suzuki seminar, watched Ticky Donovan fight blah blah blah (I have a very big trumphet) but at the time, I would not have put PD in that (or any greater) catagory.

As far as I am aware, if you wish to look at karate as a sport, his national/international achievments have hitherto gone unsung. If you wish to look at karate as a way - then for me, any true way has to ne built upon integrety and trust of the leader(skill, prowess etc I would ignore if I knew that I coult trust the person I was following because of his honesty, sincerety and integrety) and it is this area with which I had a problem at the time.

I remember an occassion when PD told us that he and Jon A were entering a tournament in Ireland - great said I, where, when, I'll be there, organise a trip - oh no, not possible - but apparently, they both came back - PD having lost to JA in the final - call me cynical - but I too respected PD's skill I did not respect the BS.

Nearly 30 years on, I would not expect the angler to have got any worse at catching fish but I would not have expected the one that got away to have grown so much.

No need for the BS

[QUOTE]Originally posted by thequiteman:
Hi all, did Bushido for 6/7 years, started in the late 80's. Interesting thread. You have to remember whatever else you do believe Pete Delane is a fantastic MA exponent (possibly one of the best ever).

OK, lets cut to the chase. If PD and his organisation are so s--- hot, how come they
never seem to participate in inter club/style tournaments? Afraid perhaps they will be shown to be inferior to other tyles? This would seem to accord with the 'no cross
training' philosophy. (Could be no cross dressing as well?).

Also, is there any record of any 'Orientals' being involved with Bushido? If not why not? Should the 'style' be as good as Bushido claims then one would think that the organisation would be overrun with persons from that part of the world. If however that is not the case, could it be that the population of Oriental extraction have looked
into Bushido, and concluded that they 'wouldn't touch it with a barge pole', because it's a pile of crap?

Looking at earlier posts (Skiggsy et al & etc.) it would seem that PD is little more than a bullying egotistical megalomaniac, suffering (or should that be enjoying) any
number of mental problems, amongst them delusions of grandeur (or should that be
adequacy?) Or put it another way big ego, little **** !! To think that senior members,
by which I take it to mean 1st Dan BB and up, wish to emulate such a purile specimen. It makes me wonder if they themselves are 'all there', or have been subject
to certain elements of either brainwashing or other forms of mind control, because it
certainly is not MA. Immoral yes, MA, no.

Having spoken to a fairly large number of persons who in the recent and not so recent
past have trained with this set up, all without exception have felt a sense of relief at having departed, and have found infinitely more satisfaction and a higher quality of training at other schools, which incidentally have a defined history and lineage.
Strange that, isn't it?


One final point. This is a question 'or rather statement made' by an earlier contributor, who, and I quote, "I was injured during a training session and forced to carry on, as that is what a Samurai would have had to do". How were they 'forced to carry on'? If this was against this persons will, then those present and doing the 'forcing' would be guilty of withholding medical attention and holding that individual against his will at best, or at worst kidnap. Therefore, why did he not phone the police immediately, and proceed to sue the Bushido organisation and the guilty individuals the following day?
Could it all be part of the indoctrination?

Let me know your thoughts.



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It's posts like this that give me the need to respond. (BTW: Your use of apostrophes is very bizarre!)

1. Why does everyone assume that tournaments are a good way of proving your style is the best? If someone is better than you - then why fight? Why not concentrate on getting better? Why waste a day at a competition?

2. What's the big deal with 'orientals' - have you ever been to Japan?

3. You don't know PD and yet you're quick to call him all the names under the sun. You call him purile and you've never met him. I respect the posts of people who are talking from experience - I object to name calling from people who have nothing to base it on.

4. Not everyone believes they have been brainwashed - those posts where people have stepped up to defend Bushido have been flamed quicker than you can say "Martial arts"

5. I can understand relief at leaving. I stopped my piano lessons last year and was quite relieved (I didn't practice and I was finding it hard to come up with excuses as to why I was so bad!). Also it freed up my Thursday evenings which was nice... I now sit in front of the TV which is much more stimulating (!)

6. Not all schools have a defined lineage.

7. Stop talking all this cr*p about money and illegal - the lesson cost £15. You know that. What PD/THe instructor/the school chooses to do with that money is up to them. No one has been lied to about the costs. It may be expensive but it is not illegal. I run a company and I still get cheques in my name... that's not illegal! (Not one person has mentioned money laundering or offshore accounts in fictious names? And what you have written is liablous!)

8. Samuari - if a samuari didn't carry on during a fight - he'd be dead. That's the point. I don't agree with people being forced to continue if they're injured, but it's hard to know what sort of thing the contributor defined as 'injured' - I expect (hope) it's not a broken leg.


Just to summarise: I have no strong alligences to Bushido, but I do want to see fair play. Please can the posts be considered and not just rants and abuse.