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#135199 - 08/28/04 07:47 PM Scientific street fighting
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JKD: Scientific street fighting?
Instructor DR.Jerry Beasley has marketed this discipline. He was trained by Joe Lewis,who awarded him a 8 th degree BB in JKD.

Many including myself question his reputation. Having said this, I still believe that he can offer some perspective on the topic.

Yet as scholars believe that true JKD, was the extension of a wing chun form. Bruce believed in expanding this form,and called it JKD.

To the point: In the Panther video series, featuring Dr. Jerry Beasley four photographs of Beasley are shown. All deal with the trapping of one hand,and finnished with Wing chun techniques.

Question?? If people are concerned in tactics that Bruce may have taught Joe Lewis. It is interesting that Beasley is using many of the extensions from Wing Chun.
I find this so interesting,since many of the new JKD schools have trashed this curriculum,and have added tones of ground fighting.

I agree,that ground range should be introduced, as JKD is the "EVOLVE & PROGRESS",martial art. But the core foundation of the art, EVADE<BLOCK<DESTROY<REDIRECT<INTERCEPT,should still be used.

Just a thought
Kobun

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#135200 - 08/29/04 12:58 AM Re: Scientific street fighting
Chen Zen Offline
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I dont even have to question his credentials as there is no belt structure in JKD

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#135201 - 08/29/04 06:35 PM Re: Scientific street fighting
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I have always held Beasley in contempt. Maybe it's just something about a guy in a karate gi practicing JKD, all the while mandating a "Pre-73" JKD curriculum, as if it didn't continue to exist or evolve beyond that date.

Beasley was a student of Joe Lewis who did train with Lee for about two years. They parted ways without Lee ever having certified him to teach or certify others. Of course, certification doesn't mean a whole lot in my eyes, but when you market yourself as Beasley has, you'd figure he'd have a little more credibility than he does.

-John

[This message has been edited by JKogas (edited 08-29-2004).]

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#135202 - 08/29/04 07:56 PM Re: Scientific street fighting
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I'm ignorant. When was the Tao of JKD written?

Opinions as to what is the current best text on opinion and commentary on fighting?

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#135203 - 08/29/04 09:01 PM Re: Scientific street fighting
loki Offline
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Does this mean the Dr. knows what he is doing. As the extension of Larp Sao,the doc uses many of these movements.

Did Joe Lewis learn this in two years?
Bruce is said to not have learned the third form of Wing Chun. He had to return,to finnish the Biu Gee.

As his training in the art of JKD had started.How could he have taught Joe Lewis the Biu Gee?

Dan Inasanto,has said to BB Mag. that only two others were in fact certified.

Does this weaken the art?

Kobun

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#135204 - 08/29/04 09:11 PM Re: Scientific street fighting
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It depends on whether you think commercialization hurts an art. Personally, I think so. How does an art continue if no one cares enough to take it? People drop out of classes when they learn that the teaching is substandard. When you have a guy like Beasely teaching outdated material that he learned from someone who did not learn the truth of the artthen it definately hurts the art.

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#135205 - 08/30/04 04:12 AM Re: Scientific street fighting
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by loki:

Does this mean the Dr. knows what he is doing. As the extension of Larp Sao,the doc uses many of these movements.
[/QUOTE]

Who knows. I've never personally trained with him. But I CAN see his approach and that's what I don't like. Why "just" do what Lee did? It weakens the art when you make it rigid and incapable of evolution -- just as with ANY "fixed" combat art.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by loki:

Did Joe Lewis learn this in two years?
Bruce is said to not have learned the third form of Wing Chun. He had to return,to finnish the Biu Gee.
[/QUOTE]

Forms? Forms don't teach a person how to fight. Learning a third, or for that matter a fourth, fifth, sixth or SEVENTH form wouldn't have made Lee any better as a fighter.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by loki:

As his training in the art of JKD had started.How could he have taught Joe Lewis the Biu Gee?
[/QUOTE]

JKD doesn't use forms in it's teaching. Though he may have done some for himself, he didn't push those onto students, therefore it wouldn't have mattered. There are no forms in JKD.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by loki:

Dan Inasanto,has said to BB Mag. that only two others were in fact certified.

Does this weaken the art?

Kobun
[/QUOTE]

There were only three that LEE certified. Now there are hundreds if not thousands who became later certified by THESE men, myself included.

-John

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#135206 - 08/30/04 06:19 AM Re: Scientific street fighting
DragonFire1134 Offline
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I thought "Biu Gee" was simply a finger jab, not a form?

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#135207 - 08/30/04 05:02 PM Re: Scientific street fighting
JKogas Offline
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Bil (Biu) Gee is a form, bil sao is thrusting hand/fingers.


-John

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#135208 - 08/30/04 06:49 PM Re: Scientific street fighting
loki Offline
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Not trying to be complicated:

Question? JKD has a foundation, I believe it to be Bruces first art;Wing Chun. Thus would it be wise to hold it's foundation. I think it does merit some hold.

As I have said before, I have a personal art. It is called Kobun-Do,and is simply an extension of the first art I studied. Karate.

As Bruce did, I found many flaws in systems, that were in fact taught at half capacity. This done to commercialise the art.(Karate)

JKD evolves, but I find (Chen) that outdating foundations should be keeped sacred. The Biu Gee,third form helped Bruce in rounding up the whole JKD Matrix.

I guess new foundations have been laid,as I see many terms such as Pre 70 JKD,Jun Fan ect...

Kobun Out

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