white mask u are blind,

The 7 animals are based on the 7 chakras, they match.

Why do u think Bushido never even touches on chi, it will all lead back to the fact its totally copied.

I offer it to all those who still believe in "pete delane's" Bushido look closely even at the facts on the internet.

I'm not out to win this debate i want to be proven wrong then then 7 years I devoted myself to it will not be based on fiction.

Please prove be wrong.

[This message has been edited by Pingwarrior (edited 12-15-2004).]

Hi to all,

Have you ever looked into NLP?

Its clever stuff, used by hypnotists and businessman to psycho-analyse and categorize people.

It was popularised in the 50s and 60s when it was taught to businessman to use body language, voice tone and rythm to sell more.

It was originally developed as a very good set of tools used to help people to "find themselves".

It was studied by Derren Brown for his trickery and by Paul McKenna for his therapy work. Paul McKenna promotes courses now where one can study with NLP co-founder and developer Richard Bandler.

I studied it for a few years, got quite deeply into it for a while. It really improves communication skills. It also has levels that work on the energy manipulation of other people as well as ones self.

The problem with NLP is that it is easy to enjoy the trickery of the subtle controlling of others.

The original ideas were developed from Carl Jungs work.
Check out www.debi-lewis.com/personality.htm
for an example.

There are hundreds of systems just like the 7 animals, sometimes the number changes, sometimes its not animals, but its still the same concept of learning to put people in boxes.

The Chakra system is something completely different and natural, given to us by our creator. Not someone playing the role of one.

Peace

liquid thoughtz,

are you implying that NLP is what is going on, that the whole japanese link is fabricated and that the 'lie' is maintained by the 'subtle control'; of people via NLP?

I dont feel like i am 'controled'.

There are a number of people in the school with a present or past military experience, do they crave the conroled environment of bushido? i don't know

has anyone discovered any ma link with duhig?
I think that this is trhe missing link
http://www.dogstarpoets.com/GHbio.html
-look at the penultimate pic 'karate'

found this totally randomly placed pic in Glym havard's (mem of jw, lived with t.duhig and d.duhig) biog. There is no ref to it in the article.

-any ideas?

hey crouchingtiger!

"i dont feel like i am controlled" - quote

thats the ultimate control my friend!!!!


what exactly are you looking for??

Hi Guys,

I would like to start by saying that I can understand Everyone wanting answers but I think it's becoming a slight witch hunt.

I can understand the drive some of you have but I can promise you most of the BAMA student know about this forum and alot are leaving, I don't think Pete Delane is Tony Duhig at all, I've spent time with him and from any evidence to support it so far there is none. All I will say on that is if you get a full close up picture of Duhig that will prove it one way or another but I doubt you'll find one.

I have left the BAMA now and have found life a hell of alot better without it.

I think control works on many levels, i've studied hypnotism recently and found out
a lot. Control is somthing that you give people, i,e, You get a job, immediatly your giving your new boss a chance to govern what you do, kind of like : when you have lunch , when you go to the toilet, when you can leave, so straight away you accept it and he's in business. (you've given him that power over you). and so it starts to Bed itself in sub-consciously and after a small amount of time his control becomes greater and you have no idea why or how..

The BAMA understand this concept of very basic level control and so started to exploit it by using Kidi, Karma etc,etc.

I think it is like the Matrix some people like living in that situation but then others refuse the program and think for themselves. (Hence this forum).

You have to remember that I can control you by you reading this, your sub-conscious lets everything in good or bad so all I have to do is by-pass the conscious mind.

what ever you do don't think of the colour
BLUE?

Now the question is did you think of it?
If not who cares but what if you did?

Then bring in NLP and you can really start to mess people up.

Once you have an understanding of
hypnotism, NLP, Stage magic, Karate
What do you have????????????????????

I have had the chance to get to talk to some really great people thanks to this forum, I had some good times at the BAMA but I felt it was time to leave since they have started to grow alot of ego which I always thought that Martial Arts was about stopping???? I'm glad I have no part of it anymore.

The other problem is that students are being pushed up the ladder to fast so any lower grade students get the value for your money, stay a lower grade because the faster up you go the crapper you will be.
I have seen a yellow belt get to a brown belt within the last year and my God it was shocking.

Anyone still swayed by the unrepayable debt don't be, you payed £15 a time for that knowledge. It wasn't just given away, it's sold that way to give them a little more control but remeber you PAID for it and it was their job to teach it.

If anyone wants to email me please feel welcome, I may not respond straight away but I will get back to you.

Take care all

Black-Mask

It's funny that no-one from the BAMA has posted anything on this thread. Apart from James Seaward early on. I know james very well and he does believe in what he is doing. I do think that he could do alot better if he went on his own completely.

I'd love to be able to chat to Pete and ask him all the questions that are being asked but noe being answered....

Some questions I would like to ask...

1. Where does all the money go that everyone has payed to the BAMA. There is no record of it with companies house or anything.

2. What exactly does he do....

3. What is the history of the BAMA, is it totally made up or is there any shred of truth in it.

Hi to all,

I am currently a member of B.A.M.A and have been for a number of years. I've been following this thread for the past few months now with great interest.

For the first few years, the experiences I had with the school were some of the most life affirming and memorable experiences I have had in my life. I felt that this school promoted the idea of enjoying and being fully immersed in every moment. The variety in the teaching kept me interested and the philosophy gave me a different perspective on life that enabled me to deal with day to day problems that previously plagued my mind.

The instructors and students were in my opinion some of the most honourable and generous people I had met, always willing to lend a hand or an ear when I was feeling that life was getting too much to deal with.

I owe the school a lot for opening up the creative side in me again...something that I had long forgotton. I now write a lot, be it koans or stories that enable me to learn from any issues I might have.

However, I have had doubts for some time about the school. When I first started, and I enquired as to the history of the school, I was told that the the founder was spiritual advisor to the Shogun (Tokugawa). Having tried to investigate this myself I could find no corroborating evidence. I have also tried to check other names referred to in the school such as Gichin Kusawa and Kotsi Yama, unfortunately without success.

A new programme has been established with the school called "Drayu's ladders", that enables students to train with senior instructors. Students can be referred to Master Chusan to train with him, but this is at a cost of £300 for a weekend. I have always had problems with paying for training, and I feel that poorer students are being left out.

The school promotes the idea that life can be amazing if you open your mind to the limitless possibilities out there. It's just a bit of a shame that to follow the path the school promotes, you have to be financially secure.

Oh what power - knowledge!!
Just so that we dont get confused and just so that people do not feel I have an axe to gring (and who cares if I do, I can tell you many things about Bushido and Pete Delane - in the words of Max Boyce (who) 'I was there'.
I have read the reams of 'stuff'? about Bushido and Pete Delane and have found it facinating, if somewhat rectal - hey, who cares.
I started training in Zen Shin Ryu/Zazen Karate in 1976 under the head instructorship of Jon Alexander, with Pete Delane as my instructor in Gloucester. At that time and until we broke away from ZZK Pete was 2nd DAN in that style of karate - I was not aware of any other grades in any other styles at that time or later. I had trained in Kyukushinkai elsewhere - graded to the dizzy hights of 8th kyu by Alex Kerrigan.
I found the training with ZZK good and similar in some ways to my old style. Pete Delane was - and presumably still is a good practitioner of karate.
One day - by this stage I was a dan grade - graded by Jon Alexander - I remember the day well, it was Sunday morning prqactice - Pete arrived with a black eye stated to be through some conflict with JA, supposedly and reported by PD, JA had made a pass at PD's wife (lynn). Pete was going to leave ZZK and the rest of us followed.
Bushido was formed in a pub in Millbrook ST Gloucester in a matter of an hour - those in attendance (1979) were the likes of Merryck Green, Barry Hazzard, Geoff Skiggs, Rob Rudge, and others - the above were all graded to dan grade with ZZK. The name and original club badge were designed right there and then.
I am not aware of the Jade warrior stuff this is possibly where the emblem came from at a later date. Certainly Pete was a guitarist (possibly who did session work) who did the pubs and clubs in and around Glos, with his wife Lynn on keyboard. Some comments have reported Pete living in a caravan, htis was in fact a fixed mobile home in Witcombe Glos.
Pete decided that it would be inappropriate for him to be 2nd dan and for others (some comming up to 2nd dan) to be so close to him in grade, so Pete suggested to the committee (actually a committee of one - makes decision making easier) that he should be awarded 4th dan by the committee. So I made the certificate - good stuff Letraset -and presented this to him at our annual bash at the Pineholt club in Glos.
I was asked to leave Bushido - more given an ultimatum - train on high grade nights, or leave. At that time I was self employed and could not guarantee that time so went. At the same time another friend was also asked to leave for the same/similar reason.
Some interesting things have been mentioned (the Daleks are interesting but you grow out of them too) which I will mention, anyone wanting further info can get intouch with me.
To the best of my knowledge the Japan business is made of warm brown smelly stuff - it was never mentioned while I trained. The first mention of America - some stuff about Pete (real name Pete McDougal - Delane was his stage name)touring USA - was when an Asian sudent emigrated there and was going to set up a club.
A knee injury has been mentioned - never knew anything about this - certainly didnt stop his practice.
Murray Bruton AKA SH.... Hello Murray - I think he was a yellow belt when I was a dan grade.
Is it pyramid selling - probably - again who cares - when I started my club I paid 50% of profits to PD. I enjoyed my training it was good at the time - if you take away the BS and C... Pete was good at what he did - very good with nunchaku.
If people want to pay what what they pay? its their money - and we know the saying about fools and money.
Finally, I know (from personal experience)that most of the things which PD did/does he has invented/adapted from God knows what - certainly not from any known reputable teacher.
The Zen bit - interesting. There may be some people who know that the match factory 'Englans Glory' was based in Gloucester - one of their marketing ploys was to place words of wisdom on the backs of their match boxes - do you need more of an origin for Zen? - "If student attempt to look at bright light too long finger get shorter" - Old Zen saying (in Gloucester)
Happy times.

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Oh what power - knowledge!!
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I think the picture becomes pretty clear now. We have a man who trainined with John Alexander, had a falling out with him and broke away his branch of the school and has created or borrowed everything from there himself. He's built the lies about it's origins, created a system of control and packaged it up in a pyramid selling scheme to enable him to enjoy the high-rolling lifestlye he desires. (I understand he now owns that helicopter he was renting, must have been a good couple of years for the business!)

BTW the "he tried it on with my wife" story has been used since to explain the departure of Gary Greogory too, well it worked last time .....

Is there a link with Duhig? Maybe not. But we have a man with hypnosis training, stage experiance, a changed name and a 2nd dan in karate. You know I'm not as impressed as I was a few years ago :-)

I think you're wrong to call it a witch hunt though Black-mask, it's a truth hunt. It's important for people who's been through this to seak understanding so they can put things in their proper place and move on.

Merry Christmas everyone.




[This message has been edited by Mister_A (edited 12-21-2004).]

So its ok to go from 2nd to 4th dan just because someone said so ?

That must take a lot of training or hypnotism

Master Chusans Skills are amazing because of hypnotism.

You are not allowed to ask any questions in Bushido or you get told its bad Kidi