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#133579 - 08/20/04 09:35 PM Training women.
Anonymous
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While training women over the last 5 years I have noticed that there is a distinct preference for stop thrusts and inquartata thrusts with opposition amongst women while men generally prefer to launch cuts from above. While I'm aware of the reasons for this I was wondering what differences between the sexes appear in other Martial Arts?

Alex.

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#133580 - 08/22/04 06:38 PM Re: Training women.
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There are a few things I have noticed in training women. I have trained several women including those in law enforcement.
I will not trying to stereotype anyone. There are exceptions to every rule.

1. Women tend to look or stare at an opponent's eyes, which can be completely misleading.

2. Women are generally more flexible in the wrists and elbow which can make it difficult to apply locks or bars on them.

3. Women have trouble generating upper body strength but can generate tremendous power from their hips and leg.

4. Women tend to panic and give up when in a choke-hold or submission hold.

5. Women enjoy techniques that involve grabbing the head or hair, or any strike or kick to the groin. OK this one was in fun, but I find it true more than not.

6. And last but not least, when overwhelmed a man will drop his head or bend at the waist, women tend to turn their backs when overwhelmed.

[This message has been edited by Kuma (edited 08-22-2004).]

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#133581 - 08/23/04 03:23 AM Re: Training women.
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Interesting post Kuma.

I think you are spot on except that I have not noticed that men are any braver about chokes than women. Maybe the men you know are more experienced than the women you know. In my experience, beginners of both sexes panic when the first start with chokes, but it's something you get used to (trusting your training partner obviously helps).

Another difference I have noticed is that on a large training course where lots of groups come together, men are more willing to partner different people whereas most women prefer to partner someone they already know.
Sharon

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#133582 - 08/23/04 03:30 AM Re: Training women.
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Sorry, double posted - I thought the pesky flood control was taking even longer than usual lol
Sharon



[This message has been edited by still wadowoman (edited 08-23-2004).]

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#133583 - 08/23/04 06:24 PM Re: Training women.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kuma:
There are a few things I have noticed in training women. I have trained several women including those in law enforcement.
I will not trying to stereotype anyone. There are exceptions to every rule.

1. Women tend to look or stare at an opponent's eyes, which can be completely misleading.

2. Women are generally more flexible in the wrists and elbow which can make it difficult to apply locks or bars on them.

3. Women have trouble generating upper body strength but can generate tremendous power from their hips and leg.

4. Women tend to panic and give up when in a choke-hold or submission hold.

5. Women enjoy techniques that involve grabbing the head or hair, or any strike or kick to the groin. OK this one was in fun, but I find it true more than not.

6. And last but not least, when overwhelmed a man will drop his head or bend at the waist, women tend to turn their backs when overwhelmed.

[This message has been edited by Kuma (edited 08-22-2004).]
[/QUOTE]
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[This message has been edited by Isshinryukid4life (edited 08-23-2004).]

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#133584 - 08/25/04 02:22 PM Re: Training women.
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I was sent an e-mail and asked to comment on this aspect of training as I train many women and have a standing self-defense class just for women. First of all let me say that I think women get a raw deal in martial arts training and I am a big advocate of women in martial training. I actually spend more time with my women and girls than with the guys. First of all they listen better and try harder to do what you ask. I see one big difference and that is sometimes you have to explain things differently, but thats it. I think women may 'understand' differently than men,I think they pay attention to detail a bit more. So when I tell "my girls" to say do a block, they want to know where, and if I say the arm, they will say where on the arm.I think their attention to detail is much keener, so I have to be more detailed oriented with them.
The biggest issue I have faced through the years is to try and get women to see training differently than the men. There is a difference in body mass, so I am not saying they are inferior, (actuall I wish I had female hips, I could really use them to my benefit)but built differently so I try to stress 'technical excellence' and do away with any thoughts of trying to muscle their technique. Once I convince them to see things in a more technical way, and not compete with the guys and try to do it the way the guys do, I have great success. Occasionally though I do have a female student who wants to beat the guys at their game, and I have a hard convincing them to change. Please understand I am not saying women shouldn't spar with the guys, or say that women are anyway less qualified to train then men, I just think they need to approach training a bit differently. Once "the girls" have bought into my 'program', they easily handle themselves with the guys and usually teach them a lesson or two.My female students are much more technical than my men and it usually shows in their techniques.When you look at things like throws, and locks, the females need to be more technical to handle the body mass of the men. Especially in takedowns, so most of my female students takedowns are better than the guys because of their being so technical. I tell all my students that once they walk on the mat that sex is not an issue. So my female students go on the ground with guys and do everything that they guys do, only difference is I encourage them to be more technically excellent to deal with the body mass difference. I personally take offense when guys come into the school and don't want to train with women. I had one student tell another "you hit like a girl". So I got my senior female to work with him, to show how a girl hits. He has never said another word again!

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#133585 - 08/30/04 03:34 AM Re: Training women.
Anonymous
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Thanks guys.

Your opinions are much appreciated.

Alex.

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#133586 - 09/22/04 04:50 PM Re: Training women.
Ironfoot Offline
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Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 2682
Loc: St. Clair Shores, MI USA
I wish I could say I trained a woman, but it's probably the other way around. They say that husbands are like floors. If you lay them right you can walk all over them for years.

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#133587 - 09/23/04 04:08 AM Re: Training women.
Anonymous
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I think there is also the point of how it works in real life. I am 5'1" and if I want to kick/ punch a man in the head I find a strike to the groin will get him to lower to my height. Why make life difficult?

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#133588 - 09/23/04 07:55 AM Re: Training women.
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I'm in Eastern Mass and looking for training opportunities where I can feel comfortable. I'm an older female (56)and I'm getting more experience at either being last chosen when people pick partners, or not chosen at all, or having people look at me as if I were speaking some strange language when I ask them if I can join as a third. I'm not going to stop training. I just have to try harder to find appropriate training opportunities. I need training opportunities in AMOK and pressure point fighting. Do you have something I might be interested in at your dojo? If this isn't the correct place to post this, please forgive me. This is my first post on this forum. I've been poking around in reading it and I am just getting familiar with it.

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