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#133277 - 06/16/04 08:45 PM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
Anpadh Offline
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Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 162
Loc: Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
JohnL,

Stop giving me advice. I find your comments rude, but not meaningful in any other way. I do not need your permission so please, if you believe I do, stop smoking whatever it is that you are smoking.

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#133278 - 06/17/04 12:33 PM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
JohnL Offline
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Posts: 4309
Loc: NY, NY, USA
Hi Anpadh:

What a tirade, did I touch a nerve.

You can of course post anything you like, I apologise for suggesting otherwise.

I merely thought it prudent to post that the advice you gave was poor and based on a fundamental lack of knowledge.

I agree, that you have never said you have any MA experience.

However, that being the case, one must wonder why you come on a MA forum and try to give advice. Maybe you should give advice in an area that you have some expertise. (We don't know what that is, you've never said.)

JohnL

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#133279 - 06/17/04 01:22 PM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
Anpadh Offline
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Posts: 162
Loc: Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
JohnL

I saw (and still see) the question as one regarding the finding of information. One does not have to be an expert in the field to know how to find information about it. Simply because you do not trust or value any source of information outside of yourself does not mean that the information possessed by others is wrong, useless, or unimportant.

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#133280 - 06/17/04 04:53 PM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
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Hi Anpadh:

I have many sources and trust many people.

Of course you do not have to be an expert to try and find information. I've never said otherwise.

Unfortunately, I believed that the information you gave was poor, but the person who was asking for advice was inexperienced and wouldn't have known that. As such your advice might have led him to poor dojo's which in turn could have ripped him off.

As such, I still maintain that the advice you gave was poor at best and at worst misleading, as I detailed in my response to your post. I'm sure you didn't intend it to be, but as you have no MA background, you wouldn't know any different.

JohnL

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#133281 - 06/17/04 05:36 PM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
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ok, you guys, listen up.when someone asks for advice,people give it to them according to thier oppinions.if you think he/she is wrong,then say reasons why that person may be misled.you dont have to feel suprior in order to give advice.if it works for them,then they can suggest it to someone else.i came looking for oppinions/advice on things, not to watch you guys squabble.so please, quit arguing and stay on the subject.

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#133282 - 07/07/04 12:37 PM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
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Anpadh, by merely posting comments on this forum you must expect others to agree or disagree with whatever it is that you are saying. Please stop making such rude comments, one of the major concepts taught in martial arts is respect. I do not believe that JohnL disrespected you, so lay off the rude remarks. The guy knows what he is talking about, if you listen you may even learn something.

A quote to live by:
"The emply vessel makes the loudest sound."

Now, back to andyongpoy's question: I would say that to avoid someone who is only trying to take your money for sure, you need to find a non-profit school. In this case, the teacher has no reason to not teach well or to have a school if he knows very little. He is merely teaching to teach. Good luck finding one though.

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#133283 - 07/13/04 09:15 AM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
Anpadh Offline
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Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 162
Loc: Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
Slayr,

JohnL told me to "stop shooting off your mouth." I find that rude. Perhaps you don't. If that is the case, then I suggest that YOU stop shooting off your mouth. Besides, I have the right to respond to JohnL or anyone else, with or without your permission.

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#133284 - 07/13/04 12:07 PM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
JohnL Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
Posts: 4309
Loc: NY, NY, USA
Hi Anpadh:

I don't recall telling you to "stop shooting off your mouth."

At least, not in this thread.

JohnL

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#133285 - 07/21/04 10:34 AM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
Anonymous
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Judge a martial arts school this way:
1: How much time do they spend sweating on their floor? Hard work is an essential in the martial arts, not an option. If they don't work hard, they'd do nothing for you.
2: Is it the art for you? Not every art is right for every students. Doesn't mean you can't be a martial artist...just not one 'like them'.
3. Can you make it (schedule & $$$, other requirements) fit in with your life? If not, move on. It must mesh well with YOU. The arts serve you, not you the arts.
4. Observe the most advanced students of the school over a period of time. Approach them and question them. THEN: ask yourself, "Do I want to be just like them? Do I want to move just like them?" If so.... DO IT!

Once you are in:
Pay attention
Work hard...
and
Enjoy!
Papa
John

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#133286 - 07/22/04 11:09 AM Re: how to know a MA fraud and a MA master
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3116
Loc: East Coast, United States
Good Morning andyongpoy:

Telling an expert froma con can be very daunting task. How would you tell one from another in your job field? Anyplace? It will take time to determine...

What is important at this point is for you to find a skilled teacher who has a SERIOUS lesson plan, and will expalin the what's & why's of the information you are being taught. Once you have that message your brain will focus on what you are doing... and having it explained, you will be able to practice it at home, without supervision.

Unexplained and IME, the brain will not shut down, and focus. Explained, you know what you are attempting to do, even if you're not there yet!

Blind repetition is fine, provided SOMEBODY explains the why of it to you. Takes tens of thousands of repetitions to make something instinct. To be efficent and to be EFFECTIVE you must practice until your poor brain starts dreaming the repetitions [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

Bottom line, time is required to evolve a skill. Oh, and I am not a professional martial artist. It is not what I do for my living...

Jeff

[This message has been edited by Ronin1966 (edited 07-22-2004).]

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