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#132557 - 08/11/03 06:03 AM Re: Teaching Children
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No problem,

Although I won't be able to for probably about a month or so, I will put together a fully referenced report on this matter. It will basically be drawing together the different evidence and theory for both arguements - and reasons why (I dont think - because people are lazy will cut it, but I might mention it for fun [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] ).

I might be able to ask the BPA (or whatever they are called now) for a reference on this too, as I have a Gym instructor certificate with them. But I do have countless books and reliable internet sources which I will be able to use for evidence.

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#132558 - 08/11/03 07:20 AM Re: Teaching Children
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Thanks so much UKFF, I really apreciate you takeing the time and trouble.
Sharon

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#132559 - 09/15/03 01:46 PM Re: Teaching Children
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Sharon
I'm a director of the EKGB and sit on the Management Board, the Director of Coaching is Suzanne Genery who is an eminently qualified Sports Scientist and takes all the most recent advice. Personally I don't agree with some of it, but it is subject to the latest information in sports science and coaching from Sport England.

My Association use the National Vocational Qualifications and are an Accredited Centre for their delivery because we feel that they are more thorough in their approach to Sports Coaching and administration, the qualification is also recognised more readily by facility providers, insurance companies and courts (in the event of a law suit). Along with the Criminal Record Disclosure it also enables our Instructors to teach in the physical education programme in schools.

We have statistics to show that the Karate programme in the Medway schools here in the UK has had a dramatic improvement in the concentration levels and behaviour in the children that took part. Their other sports couldn't achieve the same results. I believe it's simply because the children enjoy the activity more and it contains the good behaviour code and demands attention. We are also using more specialist teachers (10 - 20 yrs training, 2nd - 3rd dan NVQ qualified level 2 and 3) than maybe the other sports.

In our club we use a monthly payment system by direct debit and this makes the students attend more regularly, we write an individual report on each child each month and this makes them pay attention and learn more efficiently. With children we use praise - correct -praise and it works!

Not wanting to make this too long... someone said treat children like mini adults.... I would reverse this and say treat adults like big children!

Steve

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#132560 - 09/15/03 02:18 PM Re: Teaching Children
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But I did forget to say...

In the UK coming down the line very fast, the Governing Body has it's Child Protection Policy in place along with all the other sports, each Association will have to appoint it's own Child Protection Officer to liaise with the national CPO for the sport and local sports groups, police, sports development officers and so on. Each coach will need to be a qualified coach (probably the new National Coaching Certificate that's being mooted leading to NVQ) and have an enhanced Criminal Record Board disclosure. These will need to be renewed every 2 years.

Steve

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#132561 - 09/16/03 06:38 AM Re: Teaching Children
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Bossman

As I have not trained in Karate for a few years (KUGB) and have no knowledge of the EKGB stuff I don't want to comment on policies or training techniques.

But generally I meet Martial artists day in day out that are not strong enough to be able to do the art, but also training technqiues (for example doing static stretches after the warm-up).

A good way to point out what I mean is by watching premiership footballers doing static stretching before they go on to play - and then they wonder why they pull a hamstring and get injured!!

If you have no objections (unless you think it will fall on deaf ears) I will still put together a paper on deep knee exercises and their benefits for both health and development of Martial Arts as discussed in this thread.

Although I do not have any sports qualifications I do have a first class business degree and so I am experienced in research and do have a gym instructors certificate, a Shodan grade in KUGB Shotokan as well as belts in Kickboxing and Judo.

If you have any questions, please feel free to email me:

matt@fightfreak.co.uk

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#132562 - 09/16/03 08:51 AM Re: Teaching Children
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Hi Bossman [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

I am a fully qualified EKGB coach.

With respect, all that means is that I have paid a lot of money to my association to read a manual. I was awarded this qualification without anyone ever watching me teach or asking me questions (apart from how would you like to pay).

I think the guidelines and the theory behind the EKGB coaching program is sound. I think the application of it is a nonsense (and this may be the fault of associations rather than the EKGB itself, I am not in a position to judge who is at fault).
It is a standing joke between instructors in this area that there is no point telephoning, emailing or writing to the EKGB for information as they never reply.
Again, no disrespect to you personally, I don't know you, but I do know that I only stay in the EKGB because it is Sport England recognised and therefore easier/cheaper to get insurance. There is no other reason to stay unless your club is into competing in a big way.
Sorry to be so negative, but I have been teaching for over 6 years and could site many examples of dissapointing contact with this organisation.
Sharon

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#132563 - 09/16/03 10:52 AM Re: Teaching Children
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by wadowoman:
Hi Bossman [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

I am a fully qualified EKGB coach.

With respect, all that means is that I have paid a lot of money to my association to read a manual. I was awarded this qualification without anyone ever watching me teach or asking me questions (apart from how would you like to pay).

I think the guidelines and the theory behind the EKGB coaching program is sound. I think the application of it is a nonsense (and this may be the fault of associations rather than the EKGB itself, I am not in a position to judge who is at fault).
It is a standing joke between instructors in this area that there is no point telephoning, emailing or writing to the EKGB for information as they never reply.
Again, no disrespect to you personally, I don't know you, but I do know that I only stay in the EKGB because it is Sport England recognised and therefore easier/cheaper to get insurance. There is no other reason to stay unless your club is into competing in a big way.
Sorry to be so negative, but I have been teaching for over 6 years and could site many examples of dissapointing contact with this organisation.
Sharon
[/QUOTE]

Hi Sharon

Someone in your association should be doing the courses and assessing.....

But that's also why we do the NVQ's... as you have to be assessed by a qualified assessor, then your portfolio of knowledge by another assessor, then this work is verified by an internal verifier and then an external verifier from City and Guilds before you are certified. That is why the qualification is more widely recognised.

I've been teaching for 30yrs and held most positions in the various Governing Bodies including Chairman. If you or any of the other Instructors have any disappointing experiences with the EKGB, email me and I'll deal with them for you.

Insurance is no cheaper with the EKGB, in fact I'm the the Chairman of a large multi Martial Arts group with our own policy, so even our EKGB registered students are on our own policy because it's more comprehensive and not limited by the EKGB definition of Karate.

Sounds like someone in your group needs advice. I'm happy for them to mail me.

Steve

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#132564 - 09/16/03 11:02 AM Re: Teaching Children
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by UKfightfreak:
Bossman

As I have not trained in Karate for a few years (KUGB) and have no knowledge of the EKGB stuff I don't want to comment on policies or training techniques.

But generally I meet Martial artists day in day out that are not strong enough to be able to do the art, but also training technqiues (for example doing static stretches after the warm-up).

A good way to point out what I mean is by watching premiership footballers doing static stretching before they go on to play - and then they wonder why they pull a hamstring and get injured!!

If you have no objections (unless you think it will fall on deaf ears) I will still put together a paper on deep knee exercises and their benefits for both health and development of Martial Arts as discussed in this thread.

Although I do not have any sports qualifications I do have a first class business degree and so I am experienced in research and do have a gym instructors certificate, a Shodan grade in KUGB Shotokan as well as belts in Kickboxing and Judo.

If you have any questions, please feel free to email me:

matt@fightfreak.co.uk

[/QUOTE]

Hi Matt

The EKGB are heavily involved in Sports Excellence with all the top sports physio's and coaches up to this point funded by Sport England.

I would certainly be interested in anything you put together and if you would want me to submit it to the Coaching Director would be happy to do so on your behalf or give you her email address.

I have spent some years on the "Yang Family body softening exercises" which are very different to anything else I've seen taught in sports and the MA and have made a good few trips to Hong Kong studying with Yeung Ma Lee the current head of the Yang Family and daughter of Yang Sau Chung. It's fascinating stuff for me.

Steve

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#132565 - 09/16/03 02:41 PM Re: Teaching Children
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Bossman,
Thank you for taking the trouble to reply [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

I accept that each association is responsible for training and monitoring instructors and that EKGB lay down strict guidelines for this.

However, EKGB do not (to my knowledge) check that each association is doing so. I have met some very unscrupulous instructors, ripping people off, bullying, dangerous training practices etc.

Additionally, most associations are run as a business for profit. There is nothing wrong with that per se, but we can't be sure how many instructors are instructors because it is making some one else money in licence fees etc., rather than because they are suitable instructor material.

Sorry again to be so negative, these are just my feelings on the subject.

Respectfully
Sharon
P.S.
BTW, I did not mean in my previous post that EKGB insurance is the cheapest. What I meant was that insurance companies are happier to insure instructors belonging to a Sport England approved governing body.

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#132566 - 09/16/03 04:41 PM Re: Teaching Children
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Hi Sharon

I wouldn't call you negative but realistic. We actually think very much the same. The reason that we didn't take the EKGB Coaching programme on board, (despite the fact that I'm a Director) is because my loft is full of useless Coaching certificates from the EKC, MAC, and two from the EKGB. Governing Bodies come and go and so do their various coaching programmes, all become worthless very quickly. I have already lodged my objections to the prospective NCC. NVQ's are deeply embedded in the framework of our society and are Europe wide. They are also subject to a verification process from City and Guilds and are therefore much harder to cheat. Because of funding the EKGB have to "passively police" their woefully inadequate Coaching programme and go on trust.

Whether a club or association is professional or amateur is immaterial, it's the quality of the service that they perform that's important. It seems to me that many Instructors are interested in the get rich quick ethos or just as bad, gratifying their ego at the cost of young lives. That's why I'm unhappy with the Government of Karate and work to change it.

If you insure through the EKGB your insurance cover is subject to the definition of Karate given by them, we took out a seperate policy to cover sweeps, locks , throws and weapons that were not included in their original definition. I'm also working to change that.

I'm also working at present to produce an annual Handbook for them that will include all the knowledge you require to operate a Karate Club/Association including codes of conduct, rules, regulations, child protection, coaching etc.. I hope to have it ready for issue in the new year, so that everyone has all the latest information.

I write the EKGB column in Martial Arts Illustrated magazine and have interviewed most of the "leading lights" in the organisation - all of them are on my site at
http://www.shikon.com/article_links.asp?typ=AG1002

You might find some of them interesting.

Regards

Steve

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