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#132420 - 06/11/03 08:35 AM Learning without a teacher...
Kotetsu Offline
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Registered: 04/17/03
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Loc: Hollis, NH, USA
Is learning without a teacher/master possible? I'm not talking about books and movies and the like, I'm talking about sparring with your friends until you figure it out. That is unfortunately what I am relegated to, as my area of the world has no masters that I know of. Southern New Hampshire is a very boring place. In case anyway would like to help who is able to teach they can yell at me in here and I will give e-mail address as I don't really know how else you'll get it. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]


Just realized this was in the wrong forum thing, should have put it under teaching and learning, and don't know how to move it. If it can be moved by admin/moderator person please do so.

[This message has been edited by Kotetsu (edited 06-11-2003).]

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#132421 - 06/11/03 08:51 AM Re: Learning without a teacher...
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Loc: Australia
Yep - it is a lonely raod to hoe and can either be the most productive or one that teaches bad form, and gives little.

I mean who taught the founders of any martial system? It eveolved, but for example, the first of Shoalin who systemised defense against routine acts of violence - they taught themselves and theorised - no one taught Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do, he synthesised it.

I think if you have a blackbelt or a similar standard in a decent style, you can learn by training with others or out of books, provided you have partner.

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#132422 - 06/11/03 09:02 AM Re: Learning without a teacher...
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Well that would be one problem. I don't have any formal training whatsoever. No black belt nothing. Just me, my mind, and my sparring partner. He has formal training so he can actually do somethings but I still haven't "lost" to him.

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#132423 - 06/11/03 09:23 AM Re: Learning without a teacher...
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Learn as much as you can from him, push each other and try to find a place to formally train - don't be biased against boxing or western wrestling.

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#132424 - 06/11/03 09:56 AM Re: Learning without a teacher...
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Registered: 01/08/03
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Loc: San Francisco
Listen to joesixpack, find anyone that can teach you something and then add to that knowledge with books and videos.

Also try and go to seminars when you can.

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#132425 - 06/11/03 10:00 AM Re: Learning without a teacher...
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Loc: San Francisco
Also where do you live there? Have you tried some internet searches for some clubs that may be hidding out?

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#132426 - 06/11/03 02:09 PM Re: Learning without a teacher...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kotetsu:
"Is learning without a teacher/master possible? I'm not talking about books and movies and the like, I'm talking about sparring with your friends until you figure it out."

Possible, Yes. But by no means the best method. It's possible that you'll develop more technical problems than will be possible to cure. An instructor in an established method will give you a solid grounding from which you can build.

"That is unfortunately what I am relegated to, as my area of the world has no masters that I know of. Southern New Hampshire is a very boring place."

I did a quick google search in your area just by typing in karate. It showed up about 15 karate clubs in areas such as Milford, Nashua, Merrnnado, and Hudson. These are only about 7-8 miles fromHollis. I didn't try any more in depth search.
If this is the case, not finding an instructor is the wrong way to go.

JohnL

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#132427 - 06/11/03 03:14 PM Re: Learning without a teacher...
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I agree with John, best case scenario has to be training under a good instructor.
As an example, I have a few students who decided to learn their next kata from a video. I advised them not to, I suggested learning it in class and using the video to prompt them during practise and to perfect their stances, once they knew the basic moves.
Anyway, they were impatient. They decided to ignore my advice and went ahead anyway.
Because they have not been training very long, they misinterpreted some of the moves.
It took me longer to "unteach" the bad habbits they had been practising than it would have taken to teach them that kata from scratch.
Think about having a look at a few of the clubs John talked about and give one or two a try. You could still practise with your friends at the same time as training in a structured lesson once or twice a week.
Good luck with your training whatever you decide
Sharon

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#132428 - 06/13/03 07:38 AM Re: Learning without a teacher...
Kotetsu Offline
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Registered: 04/17/03
Posts: 314
Loc: Hollis, NH, USA
Jut as a clarificatoin, I don't have a license yet and my parents really won't drive me anywhere. I walked to the karate studio thing I knew about in Nashua and didn't like what I saw. Although probably part of the way they teach the sparring(kumite?) was slow and semi-contact. As just a personal belief I don't like semi-contact but I could deal with that. The other is a monetary problem. No cash no training. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif[/IMG] But I discovered that there is a teacer at my high school who partook in martial arts in his college years and I was going to talk to him about maybe starting a martial arts club. The only other place I found was a Tae Kwan Do dojo/studio thing but he only teaches while I'm in school. But there is always summer.

Thanks for the advice everyone, it has been valuable, and I will try to get a job or something to afford teaching.

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#132429 - 06/13/03 02:40 PM Re: Learning without a teacher...
madhag Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 150
Loc: Seattle, WA
How about asking the schools/clubs if they offer scholarships and/or trades?

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