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#132145 - 04/03/03 07:24 PM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
Reiki Offline
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Re: Shaolin monks - I was fortunate to see their performance here in NZ last year. They were amazing!

Re: Ki emitted as measurable sound - were you not aware that sound is a form of energy and is normally measured as such?

fyi -
Sound power [Lw (watts)] = 10 log[watts]/[10^(-12)]

Note: Sound power is converted into predictable sound pressure [as the ear would hear] once the acoustical environment surrounding the source is defined. Temperature, distance, humidity and other physical parameters such as the materials, reflecting surfaces etc surrounding the noise source should be taken into account when calculating the final results.

If you can measure ki energy emitted from the hands in watts then what more is there to prove? [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

Energy is energy and it can be measured as such.

Don't knock it until you've tried it buddy...

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#132146 - 04/03/03 09:22 PM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
Jamoni Offline
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My point was that sound is energy in the form of vibrations. Of course the body gives off vibrations. It's moving. We process chemical energy in the form of food into movement, which creates vibration. Where is the chi? I can yell, and thats not chi. I can bang a drum. Not chi. I can shake rattle and roll, but this is just regular old energy. NOT CHI. So, is chi a form of energy all by itself? If so, how can we measure it in a way THAT CANNOT BE ATTRIBUTED TO ALREADY KNOWN ENERGY AND MECHANISMS?

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#132147 - 04/03/03 09:48 PM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
Chen Zen Offline
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Chi is not " a source" of energy but "the source" of energy that flows thru all living things. it is the life force.

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#132148 - 04/04/03 08:35 AM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
JohnL Offline
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Hi Chen Zen

You're at it again, attributing things to chi that don't nessecarily belong there.

"Have you ever seen shoalin Monks do a live performance? I was lucky enough to in 96 and they can make anyone believe in chi I think."

Yes I saw them in London. Great demonstration, amazing ability, great physical conditioning, no signs of chi.

"The ability to take a full force kick to the throat blindfolded and never flinch fall or cry out in pain and never show any sign of physical damage. No bruis scrape or blood. Keep in mind they are blindfolded the whole time so that they cannot flex and protect the throat with the neck muscles."

Great phsical conditioning. Nothing to do with chi

"Ive seen them lay on spikebeds and have bricks broken on there body with sledge hammers and not so much as a drop of blood."

Simple physics. Weight, surface area, etc. Nothing to do with any "internal" power.

"They walked up flights of stairs made up of sword blades barefoot."

Same as above.

"This is chi."

You have given a vast number of examples in your numerous posts on this subject, none of which demonstrate that "chi" or an "internal power source" exists. Everything in all your posts can be acheived with good physical training.

Sorry. I just want someone to show me that chi exists. I won't take it on faith.

JohnL

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#132149 - 04/04/03 11:15 AM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
Chen Zen Offline
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Do you not think that it takes emense focus and concentration as well? sound internal to me.

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#132150 - 04/04/03 01:50 PM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
JohnL Offline
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Of course it takes concentration. To do anything difficult takes concentration.

Is that it, is that the best we can do?

Chi is just concentration?

After all the examples that you've given have been explained as simple physical phenomena, we've come down to this!

JohnL

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#132151 - 04/04/03 02:14 PM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
Chen Zen Offline
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It is not just this. This is an example of it being used. Trying to describe chi is like describing the color of air. Or the face of God. I will look thru my copy of the Tao and see what they offer and get back to you.

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#132152 - 04/06/03 05:48 PM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
Reiki Offline
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Registered: 05/30/02
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I've *already* told you how to experience chi for yourself, go and have a reiki treatment then come back and tell me what you have felt...

Sorry I forgot many of you are men and need to be told *precisely* rather than picking up more subtle suggestions and running with them.

[No offense meant guys!] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

>>>>I hope I didn't come across as being a bit snarly, I'm feeling rather sore [& a wee bit tired].

I just finished a 2 day training camp, we did a lot of sparring & drills, myself with several male partners who were a lot stronger & heavier... we also did a lot of grappling and takedowns...

I have a lot of sore muscles, cuts, scrapes & bruises but it was FUN!

and I'll be baaaack! ;D

[This message has been edited by Reiki (edited 04-06-2003).]

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#132153 - 05/09/03 11:20 AM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
Cameronjitsu Offline
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anybody have any comments on the boxer rebellion?

-c

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#132154 - 05/09/03 03:56 PM Re: Ki, the power to control energy or not?
Ender Offline
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Registered: 04/29/03
Posts: 2253
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
I myself am an active ptractitioner of such energy arts as Tai Chi Chuan, Pa Gwa Chang, and Chi Kung, and to my experience chi/ki is a very active part of my life. I vouch completely on it's existance. Please note that Chi/Ki theory (like zen) is not intended to change any of your beliefs, merely expand on them.

Sometimes the most ignorant course of action is to never question what we've been taught. This is evident in all courses of history.

How far you take the Chi/Ki theory is up to you, but I guarantee that once you get a taste, you will believe. IF your interested, any and all, go to the library and pick up a book on this stuff, or seek out a qualified instructor.

Emphasis on the "QUALIFIED" part, be careful, theres lots of con men out there.

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