Jamoni, forget the comment ok? You have since made it defunct. LOL! As for CATO I was going to aanswer your question until you once again had to put a sarcastic remark in your post to me. It wasn't enough for you that I end the conversation and apologize but now you want to raise the confrontation again? Its childish. So now learn somewhere else because I will no longer dignify your post with an answer.

Sensei Lou,

maybe, just maybe, the shinai is called for. No?

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Oh Dear...I seem to have forgoten some people lack a sense of humour. My apologies Chen Zen. No real insult intended. I think perhaps you just don't "get" my humour. I understand why you don't want to answer my question, and that's cool.

I am afaid I do not Cato. I am a serious kind of guy but not the stern master type. I do have a sense of humour but I do feel this post has gone way out of hand and further debate on it will just trigger more mud flinging I think. So I will answer further post of yours just not this one, at least for the time being.

I couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread, but I will say that Ninjitsu is a Martial Art, they didn't train in Karate or Ju-jitsu or anything else, they trained in Ninjitsu.

To be honest you will be hard pushed to find a real ninjitsu school, in fact there are very few Grandmasters that have ever taught anyone in the West (Stephen K Hayes being one of those).

I would seriously question the liniage of anyone claiming they train in Ninjitsu.

How do we know what they trained in? Personally I don't care what they trained in, but historically it makesd sense that ninja training incorporated some form of Ju jutsu to supplement their major arts. I'm not convinced that ninjutsu as a seperate style of unarmed fighting ever existed. "Ninjutsu" as a way of training in various martial arts (including ju jutsu) may well have done.

Budo

This is what I have been trying to say the whole time Cato. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] That ninja werent solely Jujutsu practitioners. Sure they grappled but like you said the encorporated all types of styles.

It seemed like ancient special weapons and tactics like the "shaken"/Star and Shuriken, calitropes to lay down on the path of pursuit,ect. As far as Juijutsu ,I studied Judo, I thought that the other style used joint locking and wrenching/breaking combined with the throws, am I wrong?