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#132052 - 03/10/03 05:23 PM Re: Ninjutsu
raccoon Offline
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Very nice pout Cato [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#132053 - 03/10/03 11:11 PM Re: Ninjutsu
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That's it Cato-5 minutes in Time out if I can quit laughing............Hilarious reply!!!!!!!!!!

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#132054 - 03/11/03 12:49 AM Re: Ninjutsu
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Raccoon, Thank you for setting me back to my path to mastery. I apologize for the way I put things but I wont apologize for saying something as I feel something needed said. Now I leave it at that. I do respect everyone hear and I value each and every opinion no matter how askew I believe it to be. As for my information on Hatsumi and Jack Hoban. Hoban is said to be the official american representative of ninjutsu. The information I got about hatsumi mostly came from Black belt magazine. However they do talk of many topics such as killing a horse silently. I cant imagine this done grappling. I never said ninja didnt grapple but I dont believe this to be their primary source of attack. However I may be missinformed and this is something I should research.

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#132055 - 03/11/03 01:32 AM Re: Ninjutsu
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Any time Chen =)

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#132056 - 03/13/03 07:17 AM Re: Ninjutsu
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Chen, I'm still interested in hearing your view on both the Samurai and ju jutsu during Japan's feudal period. I don't want to carry on being a "damn fool" any longer.

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#132057 - 03/13/03 07:21 AM Re: Ninjutsu
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Thats all good, Cato, but have you done your 5 minutes of time out yet?

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#132058 - 03/13/03 04:24 PM Re: Ninjutsu
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I'm sorry. I think I'm heading for another 5 aren't I? I just feel a bit like I've been unjustly attacked and well, frankly I want to get my own back. Childish I know, but bloody good fun all the same. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#132059 - 03/13/03 04:40 PM Re: Ninjutsu
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Chen zen, perhaps Cato WASN'T blasting Darkninjas future hopes and dreams. By saying "you'll never be a ninja", perhaps he simply meant "You'll never be a Japanese spy/assassin who kills silently hundreds of years ago." This is true. It's like saying "You will never be the inventor of the helicopter."

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#132060 - 03/13/03 08:51 PM Re: Ninjutsu
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Even though I am the one to put Cato in 'time out' and magnify his temper tandrem, I have to agree with him Chen. I will tell you why.....I don't think he was coming down on anyone, but I think(and its what I think Cato is saying)what he is saying is that too many people 'Pretend" to be what they are not. People play at being Ninja, wear the gear of a Ninja(which is out of date)and practice playing Ninja, they are not doing it for real. The day of the Ninja is gone as it was then, just as the day of the Samurai is gone. No one is a true Samurai any more, Society won't allow it, they stopped allowing it in Japan in the late 1890's so how could it be in todays society outside Japan. Too many times we see people who 'think' they are Japanesse, they dress like it, run like them, say a few Japanesse words and they think they are. They are playing at it, truth is we are a product of our country learning the culture of another. Just because we learn another culture doesn't make us that culture.Look at any Aikido dojo and you will see this in action.
The Late Great Grandmaster Mitose of Kosho Ryu Kempo, who came from a Japaneese Temple made this analysis of an American Kempo Sensei. The Sensei gave Grandmaster Mitose a business card and on the card was his logo, a Tiger. Mitose asked the Sensei why, and the Sensei said the tiger represented him and his dojo. Rev. Miotse answered, which is more ridiculus an animal being an animal, or a man pretedning to be one? You see my point, that Sensei was no more a tiger, than anyone today is a Ninja, they are just practicing Ninjitsu, but they will never be a NInja.

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#132061 - 03/13/03 10:00 PM Re: Ninjutsu
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As long as Senseilou is disciplining us children, could you make chen zen apologize for the van damme comment? I can take anything else that was said, but that was sheer libel, and cruel to boot. I think I'm more in the "Gymkata" range.

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