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#131678 - 04/07/05 04:46 AM Yet another situation
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Yeah, I know this board has about a million stories like this, but pff.

I was walking to the bus stop late one night to go home and I walked past this guy who started shouting at me. I just kept walking, figuring that most idiots give up after a while. But when I got the bus stop the guy had followed me, god knows why. I hadn't the faintest idea who he was. He came right over to me, with another guy, and was plainly drunk. I was standing against one of those chest-high railings with the knobbles and spikes on top, and he thrust his face right close to mine and started with the "Come on then, you want some?" routine.

I should point out at this point that I am bearing both a heavy backpack and an enormous folder full of work, which is probably why I have been singled out for this charade. Self defense is going to be tricky. I say to him, "What do you want?"

He hits me in the side of head, then. His friend tries to get the guy away from me, he's saying "What was that for, man? Stop it!" I haven't gone down, I've taken the blow and I'm still staring at the guy, and I'm wondering what to do, and then I remember that my hands are full, and I just turn and walk away. I walk up the road to the next bus stop. The guys didn't follow me.

Anyway, the point of this story isn't another did-I-do-the-right thing. I know that walking away was the right thing to do and there was probably nothing I could have done about the punch.

I've been studying seal lung kung fu for a while and I can't help wondering what the point is if fate keeps putting you in these situations where you can't use it anyway. To be honest, it's probably a good thing I was unable to fight, it probably prevented me from doing something stupid. But just for my own confidence I like to think that I could have done something and that I wasn't totally at the guy's mercy. I could have done some sort of a stamping kick to the knee, but not an extravagent side kick because my backpacks and such would probably have unbalanced me. I also could have used my free elbow I suppose. I had very little room, the guy was standing less than a foot away from me. Perhaps a knee strike to the groin and then a run-like-hell would have been most prudent...

But then, if I'd done that, his friend would have been less sympathetic to me and I'd probably have had two guys after me. Meh.

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#131679 - 04/07/05 09:01 AM Re: Yet another situation
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I can empathise with your experience, I think you did pretty well considering the logistics of the thing. Had you not been carrying so much then the story could have ended a totally different way, but then again you'll never know.

Idiots like the drunk you described are always too happy to pick on people who are obviously an easy or "easier" target than most. Hell at least you took the hit and are hopefully none the worse for it, although had he had something else in his hand it could have been a bit more worrying.

It sounds like if it had escalated you would have done more to protect yourself, naturally you were being extremely patient with this person. Good on you though, it also raises the question of effective defensive techniques when you're carrying so much stuff.

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#131680 - 04/07/05 10:58 AM Re: Yet another situation
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeChaff:
I know that walking away was the right thing to do and there was probably nothing I could have done about the punch.[/QUOTE]

You don't necessarily have to "do something" to keep from being hit. Just move your head a couple of inches. Really, move the whole body. A lot of people in aikido will stand there and let the opponent grab their collar, but not me. I say, if he can grab your lapel, he can punch you in the throat, so even when he is "only reaching" for me, I move the body. It's just a matter of controlling distance.

As for the hands being occupied, I once had a guy punch at my jaw and I rolled my shoulder to deflect it softly while keeping both hands in my pockets. Freaked him out.

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#131681 - 04/07/05 11:07 AM Re: Yet another situation
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That's a weird situation and it seems to have caught you off guard. You probably did the right thing aside from letting him get close enough to hit you. As soon as you felt threatened maybe you should have put your stuff down. Running away wasn't an option with all that stuff,but you could have gone inside right?
I think once the guy hit me I would have dropped everything and defended myself all over him. At least you got out ok.

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#131682 - 04/07/05 11:13 AM Re: Yet another situation
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Mike,
Congratulations on not losing your composure. When I look back on similar situations I find myself saying " I should a, Would a, Could a"
It can make you a little nutty. I'm glad you were not badly injured.

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#131683 - 04/08/05 02:55 AM Re: Yet another situation
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The thing is, I have to carry a lot of bags a lot of the time. I'm an art college student, and I frequently have to drag big folders and stuff around. This encounter has made me slightly nervous about the whole thing. I'm starting to feel a bit defenseless when I have a lot to carry.

Maybe I should start training whilst holding folders and wearing a backpack :-p

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#131684 - 04/08/05 03:40 AM Re: Yet another situation
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeChaff:
Maybe I should start training whilst holding folders and wearing a backpack :-p[/QUOTE]

That might not be such a silly idea, if you expect to have to carry so much on a frequent basis. Perhaps you and a friend or training partner could work on effective deflections/offensive techniques that would be of use? Short of "seeking out a qualified instructor in your area", I can't suggest much else. I'm sure your M.A. will allow you to diversify and find a way to turn the tables. Good luck [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

[This message has been edited by PastTheWall (edited 04-08-2005).]

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#131685 - 04/08/05 05:57 AM Re: Yet another situation
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeChaff:
I've been studying seal lung kung fu for a while and I can't help wondering what the point is if fate keeps putting you in these situations where you can't use it anyway.

I could have done some sort of a stamping kick to the knee, but not an extravagent side kick because my backpacks and such would probably have unbalanced me.
[/QUOTE]


The point of studying MA is that IF we NEED to use it, we can. This entails situations where there is very little chance of escape unless we *create* an exit.

If you find yourself in a dangerous situation, (e.g. threatened by knife wielding attackers or multiple attackers who are intent on your injury/death) do NOT hesitate to literally throw everything you have in your arms at the attacker and drop any bag you are wearing, in order to escape.

In this situation, however, you did the best you could and you got out fine, so you must have done the right thing.

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#131686 - 04/08/05 06:20 AM Re: Yet another situation
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Hmm. I think, PastTheWall, I might just try that. I think I shall especially train with a backpack, because that kind of thing affects balance etc. I should try to get used to doing the kicks and such that I can do normally whilst wearing strange weights. Yeah, I think that makes sense.

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#131687 - 04/08/05 08:11 AM Re: Yet another situation
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeChaff:
Hmm. I think, PastTheWall, I might just try that. I think I shall especially train with a backpack, because that kind of thing affects balance etc. I should try to get used to doing the kicks and such that I can do normally whilst wearing strange weights. Yeah, I think that makes sense. [/QUOTE]

I hope it helps some. I think it would be of benefit to you to at least try it out - if only to buy you enough time to free yourself of the bags, like Leo said. If you had to engage someone in a fight I expect one of your first objectives would be to get that pack off your back so you could move freely.

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#131688 - 04/08/05 03:48 PM Re: Yet another situation
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These kind of stories are very interesting to read. It seems a lot of us have been in very similar situations: being attacked our outnumbered in a number of different circumstances where we have some type of handicap.

I think you did what you could of. It is hard to think on the spot, and you had all this **** with you which makes for a problem too.

We all practice martial arts for the enjoyment and fitness, and personally, I like to do them to feel confident if I was ever in a situation where I had to defend myself or neutralize an attacker I could do so. You took a blow to the head and didn't fall down, you took it like a man. You have to admitt you walked away from what could of been a very different situation. I bet you would of loved to knock the **** out of the first guy and then scare off his buddy. Nothing would of felt better than beating up some drunk who thought out of all the people on the street he chose to pick a fight with you.

I am the last person to pick a fight with someone, let alone a complete stranger, but these assholes sometimes need to be reminded not to mess with some guy for the sake of causing conflict. Teaching a lesson, as simple as that. You make sure that they never pick a fight with someone they don't know ever again.

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#131689 - 04/10/05 04:24 PM Re: Yet another situation
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I share the same experience, I've found that alot of fights can be ended by taking a hit, if they sucker punch you, and it doesn't hurt, then logic should tell them that they won't do much damage in a fight.

I was going to meet my friend at our favorite resturaunt, who is also a student of the same art. I was on my skateboard, going down the sidewalk fairly quick, and I was approaching the driveway to the parking lot. I glanced over the bushes for oncoming cars, and saw none. I heard an engine pulling hard, but figured it was somewhere on the street. I rolled onto the driveway and a car was speeding towards me at ide say around 35 mph (way too fast for a parking lot). I jumped up off of my board quickly while he was slamming on his brakes to stop. I landed on his hood on my feet and quickly jumped off, landing backward on my weakline and falling back. Apparently when this man almost hits a padestrian he gets quite angry. I stood up and dusted off, as he was getting out of his car, I smiled and said I was alright, figuring he was coming to my aid. He walked up to me in a fit of rage, yelling obsenities at me. I said that he shouldn't have been speeding and that he needed to be careful, picked up my skateboard, and started toward the resturaunt, where my friend was sitting in front. The man yelled that I should be careful not to be killed (by him not the car) I did not turn around. He said a few other things and I could hear by the level of his voice that he was following me. I turned to see, and he hit me straight in the face, while yelling something to me. I was shocked by the act of the random punch and wierded out that I wasn't on the ground, so I just stood there and asked him what he had said while he was punching me. He just stood there, fists up, waiting for an attack. Now I could have yelled for my friend and we could have jumped him very easily, and I was also holding my skateboard, which many skaters know, can be a very deadly weapon against the human body, but I just stood there, still kind of shocked by the punch. But I could see that my lack of reaction was really getting to this guy, so i politely asked him to return to his car, and he did. I went on to have a nice meal with a good friend. Instead of ending up in a squad car or a hospital.

I beleive you did the right thing, if you can take the punch, and you can control yourself and not lash out because of the fact that you got hit, then this is a great psychological tool against an adversary, although I did not do it on purpouse the first time, If it ever happens again, I hope that more fights can be solved like this. Ide rather have a little red mark and a slightly sore face than getting completely beat up, or having to fight the opponenht.

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#131690 - 04/11/05 10:16 AM Re: Yet another situation
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Seph:
if you can take the punch, and you can control yourself and not lash out because of the fact that you got hit, then this is a great psychological tool against an adversary[/QUOTE]

Thing is, if he can grab you, he can hit you. If he can hit you, he can stab you.

The best thing is to learn to move the body and make him miss.

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#131691 - 04/11/05 11:41 AM Re: Yet another situation
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Of course the best thing to do is to move.

That's easier said than done, when you have your back to a metal rail and arms full of folders and it's too dark to see the punch before it's actually halfway there.

I think sometimes you just get thumped, and that's that.

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#131692 - 04/11/05 05:22 PM Re: Yet another situation
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I think your mistake with the drunk guy was letting him get close. You don't have to stand there if someone comes up in your face. Go ahead and backpedal so the other guy is always at arms length.

I think you probably could have done something if you wanted to. You sound kinda disappointed the kung fu didn't help you. All you had to do was snap kick him in the nuts. Even with a bag you should be able to do a snap kick to the nuts. Doesn't take much to make the other guy go away. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

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#131693 - 04/11/05 09:18 PM Re: Yet another situation
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My point is if you can't move around the attack, if it doesn't phase you, its quite possible that showing that the punch had no effect is a good psychological weapon against the opponent.

The best thing you could do is not move around the attack..but don't be in front of the attack in the first place.

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#131694 - 04/12/05 12:59 AM Re: Yet another situation
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[You don't have to stand there if someone comes up in your face. Go ahead and backpedal so the other guy is always at arms length]

Also, you do not have to answer anyone either. Just because someone says something to you, doesn't mean you have to answer them.

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#131695 - 04/17/05 03:50 AM Re: Yet another situation
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by lme888:
Also, you do not have to answer anyone either. Just because someone says something to you, doesn't mean you have to answer them.
[/QUOTE]


Very good point that, it's worked for me on many occasions.

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