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#128024 - 11/15/04 04:37 PM Aikido v.s krav maga
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ok guys.. i am an aikido practitioner... and i heard one of my friends in the dojo saying that krav maga (isreali martial arts developed around the first conflicts between it and palestine) is alot more violent and alot faster and stronger than any martial art there is... only someone told me that the only martial art fast enough for it is aikido.. is this true?

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#128025 - 11/15/04 06:23 PM Re: Aikido v.s krav maga
csinca Offline
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OK, I'll do it so nobody else has to.

Don't put too much effort comparing which style is faster, harder, better, more effective etc.... It is the individual that will make that difference.

Different arts/styles will emphasize different concepts and applications; and the training methods will differ but when it comes to putting things into practice it is all about the individual.

As for Krav and Aikido, I'm training in both and I like them for different reasons

Chris

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#128026 - 11/16/04 07:46 AM Re: Aikido v.s krav maga
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ShAaBaNgBaNg:
i heard one of my friends in the dojo saying that krav maga (isreali martial arts developed around the first conflicts between it and palestine) is alot more violent and alot faster and stronger than any martial art there is...[/QUOTE]

Krav Maga is simply another style of modern military combatives--don't believe all the hype.

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#128027 - 11/16/04 01:28 PM Re: Aikido v.s krav maga
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Being a member of the tribe.......I found interst in Krav Magr back in the 70's. The original art was great, and some Israeli's still practice it the original way. Back then, it was like Jewish Muay Tai. But the populice got their hands on it and now alot of it is like Tae Bo. Chris why don't you tell everyone the combat boots and camoflouge story? There is the practice and then there is those who play Israeli Commando. Done right, it very effective. In the early days the first attack was a kick to the knee to cripple the attacker. Not so much now though huh Chris?

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#128028 - 11/16/04 03:21 PM Re: Aikido v.s krav maga
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I'm not familiar with how Krav has developed and I've only been to one place to train... but from what I've read and seen, Krav Maga is becoming another commercial enterprise and some of the "quality control" is slipping.

I'm training in Krav for some specific reasons including a good old fashioned workout and a lot of bag work for praticing strikes. Where I a training, the Krav class is pretty much divided into two groups: The larger group is just there for the workout (weight loss, toning, cardio...) and the much smaller group is experienced martial artists from different backgrounds exchanging ideas while using the Krav Maga cirriculum as the starting point. One other thing I really like about Krav Maga is I get a lot of practice with knees, elbows and low kicks; all effective weapons in my opinion.

Just like any other art, I think the further you get from the roots, the more different the art looks and feels. In this case there is also a commercial aspect.

Sensei Lou, the boots and camo was actually my experience with a Systema seminar, not Krav. But I think Systema is going to be the next art to hit the spotlights. Next year we will be seeing posts that say "a friend told me that Systema is the real deal, best art ever from Russia and nobody can touch it".

Going back to the original post here, I would think it is pretty foolish to say that a Krav Maga punch is any faster than any other punch.

As for being more violent than aikido, well that ain't hard. Most of the cartooons I grew up on (Bugs Bunny, Road Runner, Superman) are more violent than the "peace, love and harmony" neutralize the attacker but please don't hurt him" generally associated with aikido.

Chris

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#128029 - 12/02/04 09:22 AM Re: Aikido v.s krav maga
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I have been training in Krav for a year now.
There are three levels

Cardio Krav which is basically Cardio kickbox
with some self defense thrown in.

Then there is Civilian Krav which is still being taught in the raw form, the same form the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) uses (we eye gouge, groin kick, strike to the throat.)

Then there is the Law enforcement Division which is very close to the civilian class, but pays close attention to using reasonable force.

The quality control is Amazing! I don't know how anyone can say that its diminished.
If and when I test for Brown And Black Belt I have to go to Natanya, Israel or The NAtional Training Center in LA. There are only a handful of black belts in the world, and most instructors are only certified to test you up to green, brown and black are by invite only!

The issue is simply Krav being marketed as Self Defense, which it is, but its much more Military oriented. They don't advertise it this way because theres more money in self defense!

Anyone interested should try a class. It is by no means watered down.

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#128030 - 12/02/04 10:28 PM Re: Aikido v.s krav maga
csinca Offline
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TOPitbull;

I'm glad to hear you are having a positive experience and are sticking with the Krav. Keep in mind that there may be other schools that aren't as "true" as yours and might be teaching a watered down version.

We recently had a guy come into our Krav class who just moved to the area. He had a bit over a year at another place and signed up on the first night. A week or so later he cancelled out after determining that we focused on too much contact.

Now maybe we do but I'm happy where I am. Obviously this other gentleman thinks Krav is something different that I do. I make no claim to know the true Krav or anything like that, I just know that I like what I found and it happens to be called Krav.

By the way, my instructor has been through all of the certifications at the LA center, for whatever that is worth.

Chris

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#128031 - 12/03/04 09:15 AM Re: Aikido v.s krav maga
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I think that trying to compare Krav Maga to Aikido is like trying to compare chalk to cheese.

Aikido as we know is a non aggresive self defence.It was designed to teach your attacker the error of his ways as peacefully as possible.
Krave Maga is to teach someone the error of his ways by any means nessasary.
Thats my definition anyway.

[This message has been edited by Karl (edited 12-03-2004).]

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#128032 - 02/14/05 06:36 AM Re: Aikido v.s krav maga
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i know nothing of aikido but picked a book on krav maga up in my local bookshop a while back. my senseis were so impressed they tracked down and bought their own copies.

i train in gkr karate, amongst other things, and dont groan, we're quite nice guys and as interest in kobudo and krav maga shows, open minded guys..

back to me, my interest in krav stemmed from the fact that i intend to go into the armed forces in two years........ i have to say, the book looks good....

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#128033 - 04/14/05 06:31 PM Re: Aikido v.s krav maga
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>As for being more violent than aikido, well >that ain't hard. Most of the cartooons I >grew up on (Bugs Bunny, Road Runner, >Superman) are more violent than the "peace, >love and harmony" neutralize the attacker >but please don't hurt him" generally >associated with aikido.

I always find it quite amusing when people talk about martial arts that they actually know little about. There are many different styles of Aikido varying from those that focus on Ki to those that are a little more shall we say extreme. My style of Aikido is based on the Yoshinkan style of Aikido, but a little more aggressive. There is a reason afterall why the Tokyo Special Riot Police use Yoshinkan Aikido in their training!

To call it a soft art is really not to understand it. Many of the moves would considered devastating to many. One move will often end a fight outright since you can't fight on if you wrist or elbow has been broken. I personally know of a new Shodan who was recently attacked by 3 youths on his way home from training. He disabled 2 of them with relative ease in a matter of seconds. The 3rd ran off when he saw this.

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