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#127934 - 12/08/04 02:49 AM Re: Attacks that dont rush in!
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As for the koto gaeshi from a punch or knife attack, it is not impossible. It and many other forms can be achieved.

Ago uchi for example, basically a jaw strike.

Part of my training was in weapons taking.
Taking the jo, bo, katana, tanto, etc.
Also in free form tanto training, in kakari keiko.
One of the training sequences in tanto, was to learn how to use it correctly.
We would literally have to launch across the mat and attack our uke, uke was then to also launch but backwards and do a deflection.
This is good for achieving centre. It also gives you a good view of how easily it is for a knife worker to bind up an opponent before they have a chance to respond.

When I did my security training, we had to watch a compulsary video on knife attacks.
The New York police commissioned a few professional martial artists and knife fighters to surprise attack a police officer. Basically a simulation.
It was seen that I knife wielder could easily bind up a police officer from a distance of 7-9 ft, before the officer could draw and fire their weapon. Outside 9 ft the knife is impracticle.

Part of my grading was Tanto kata.
Part of my general training, as I was specialising in katana/tanto was to free form train with both of these weapons.
Learning to use one correctly, to disarm someone else, to take and throw them effectively, etc.

Nothing is impossible, just sometimes improbable.

ig

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#127935 - 12/08/04 10:12 AM Re: Attacks that dont rush in!
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I invite you to take a chance and read "The virtues of Aikido" by Stanley Pranin (ref. Aikido Journal) where you can see the concern of many aikidokas regarding "cross training". I observed this when I began training Aikido some years ago. As a former Shotokan kohai and now an aikido kohai, I saw the importance of an effective attack while practicing Aikido and discussed this many times with my instructors, some disagreed saying that the atemi tought in aikido are effective, others agreed with me. I think that not every dojo has the luck of having instructors that have practiced other martial arts, so, in my opinion, take advantage of this. And yes, it's not a matter of being harmonic or not in such a situation... if someone enters my house, I will be very harmonic with him, TRUST ME! using atemi-waza, a bokken, a jo or whatever at hand before he can react, if I have the chance of course. No one sneaking into my house will enter with a "harmonic attitude". I guess the sensei referred to of the burglar event had no "cross training" in other arts, there we see the importance of when to apply what technique, no matter if a weapon is or not in question. O' Sensei ALWAYS, repeat, ALWAYS, underlined the importance of atemi. I also was taught by my Sensei, that if there is a weapon involved, NO MERCY, that doesn't mean that I have to kill but again it depends on each circumstance, either it's you or your opponent, there is where you use a more agressive aikido technique, and why not, combined with another art. I guess he's not talking foolishness being a 6th dan and police trainer. Added to this, various instructors would tell us something very important and that is in Randori you may wait for an attack or provoke one as well, that is to be the offensive one in order to follow the flow, that is because you don't want more than one person to attack at the same time, you react before they recat... so, figure out what attitude you may want to use in such event.
By all means, we try to avoid being aggresive, no matter if it's Aikido, Karate, jujutsu or whatever, we only REACT in different ways under a specific situation, therefore it's complicated to know what might be your reaction no matter how experienced you may be.

I'm glad this topic showed up... it will lead into lots more, I'm sure.

Regards,
Aikipana

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#127936 - 12/08/04 01:55 PM Re: Attacks that dont rush in!
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What is namby pamby about adding more than is necessary?
By your own admission, using the break and enter scenario. You kick this guys arse, and send him packing. You feel justified and vindicated for doing so. Later that same night he comes back with his automatic weapon and decides to ventilate you.
"You do not know why he is in the house, you make assumptions based upon your fear based reactions.
Had you have shown control maybe the person would not feel the need to regain face.

How do you know the said person is even threatening your family? Again you do not."

Igneous is clearly not a father. There is a certain obligation that comes with that which would make him understand. In the instance of an intruder, rather, any potential danger to my son's well being, there are no questions to be asked. There is not a moment of hesitation.

I've studied aikido for 8 years, four of which was spent as uchi-deshi under yamada sensei. I have used it in self defense and I'm confident using it. I'm willing to take a chance on my own life, perhaps, but I take no chances with the safety of my 5 month old.

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#127937 - 12/11/04 12:37 PM Re: Attacks that dont rush in!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ottorotciv:
What is namby pamby about adding more than is necessary?
By your own admission, using the break and enter scenario. You kick this guys arse, and send him packing. You feel justified and vindicated for doing so. Later that same night he comes back with his automatic weapon and decides to ventilate you.
"You do not know why he is in the house, you make assumptions based upon your fear based reactions.
Had you have shown control maybe the person would not feel the need to regain face.

How do you know the said person is even threatening your family? Again you do not."

Igneous is clearly not a father. There is a certain obligation that comes with that which would make him understand. In the instance of an intruder, rather, any potential danger to my son's well being, there are no questions to be asked. There is not a moment of hesitation.

I've studied aikido for 8 years, four of which was spent as uchi-deshi under yamada sensei. I have used it in self defense and I'm confident using it. I'm willing to take a chance on my own life, perhaps, but I take no chances with the safety of my 5 month old.
[/QUOTE]

You are correct I am not a father, but that does not change the fact that sometimes one can go to far.
Whether I am a father or not makes absolutely no difference, I have ppl in my house my spouse, my elderly mother.

But I do not live in the land of "What IF". What if a guy breaks in to my house, what if something happens when I walk outside. What if nothing ever happens.

It is all just speculative arguments.
I work in security. I have used only two techinques ever and they were the most basic of techniques ever.
Zengo no undo ho - reverse direction breath techinque it is a breathing excercise. But made a fantastic off the wall counter.
That and a palm strike, and leg lock. The latter I just made up at the time.

So in my ten odd years study in Takemusu kai and Aiki Taijutsu study. I used only two basic moves and one was for cultivating correct breath.
Sometimes a little is enough and a lot is to much.
As your training should tell you.
There is no such thing as self defence.
If you need to defend yourself it is to late!

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#127938 - 12/11/04 02:40 PM Re: Attacks that dont rush in!
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Sometimes a little is enough and a lot is to much.
As your training should tell you.
There is no such thing as self defence.
If you need to defend yourself it is to late!
Well said and very true!
Ed

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#127939 - 12/11/04 07:37 PM Re: Attacks that dont rush in!
Anonymous
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(Gah damn computer made it look like I dbl posted... that is why I made the edit).



[This message has been edited by igneous (edited 12-11-2004).]

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