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#127651 - 06/20/04 06:16 PM Aikido circles?
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Hello!, i am a fan of aikido(As well as other combat arts)--my question to all you aikido Pro's outthere is on what you call the circles in aikido.I understand the 8-directions to "force coerce"--as i call it.--ie: front,back,right-side,left-side,and the 4-in-between points.I know that knowing these points, you can off-balance.it seems to me, that this is aikido's "bread-n-butter"-speciality!...so, how, or what-does the circle fit in to the aforementioned?Is this a pattern? Thanks ahead of time for any responses.p.s.By the way, it was this understanding of these 8-points, that enabled BRUCE LEE, to do his one-inch punch.The force coming directly IN FRONT of the guy(no matter how short the distance)--knocked the guy backwards.....naturally.So all you kung-fu guys that still think it a mystery, sorry!---just plain 'ol physics!---that aikido stylists have known for a long time.,---terry

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#127652 - 06/21/04 12:08 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TerryhLee:
Hello!, i am a fan of aikido(As well as other combat arts)--my question to all you aikido Pro's outthere is on what you call the circles in aikido.I understand the 8-directions to "force coerce"--as i call it.--ie: front,back,right-side,left-side,and the 4-in-between points.I know that knowing these points, you can off-balance.it seems to me, that this is aikido's "bread-n-butter"-speciality!...so, how, or what-does the circle fit in to the aforementioned?Is this a pattern? Thanks ahead of time for any responses.p.s.By the way, it was this understanding of these 8-points, that enabled BRUCE LEE, to do his one-inch punch.The force coming directly IN FRONT of the guy(no matter how short the distance)--knocked the guy backwards.....naturally.So all you kung-fu guys that still think it a mystery, sorry!---just plain 'ol physics!---that aikido stylists have known for a long time.,---terry

[This message has been edited by TerryhLee (edited 06-20-2004).]
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P.P.S-------I'm new to this particular board, but something you all should know about me right off the bat......If i contribute something, i expect something contributed.If not, thats cool too.But that hinders my wanting to share anything.

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#127653 - 06/21/04 12:38 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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A little about me, after training in karate for a little over three years, i spent the next 10 years studying various arts(This continues), i also was a bouncer, (so as to test various things--in real world combat, where they kill you, if you are wrong.)I remember one incident where this crazy person busted his drink glass, and was headed for my throat w/the broken half---this happened fast, and un-expected---So you see, i am about reality.Ufc rule structure thinking,....thats not reality.(fine sport though!)so anyway, thats a little about me.

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#127654 - 06/25/04 04:07 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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The art of aikido is fine.....but you people suck!

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#127655 - 06/25/04 04:47 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TerryhLee:
Hello!, i am a fan of aikido(As well as other combat arts)--my question to all you aikido Pro's outthere is on what you call the circles in aikido.I understand the 8-directions to "force coerce"--as i call it.--ie: front,back,right-side,left-side,and the 4-in-between points.I know that knowing these points, you can off-balance.it seems to me, that this is aikido's "bread-n-butter"-speciality!...so, how, or what-does the circle fit in to the aforementioned?Is this a pattern? Thanks ahead of time for any responses.p.s.By the way, it was this understanding of these 8-points, that enabled BRUCE LEE, to do his one-inch punch.The force coming directly IN FRONT of the guy(no matter how short the distance)--knocked the guy backwards.....naturally.So all you kung-fu guys that still think it a mystery, sorry!---just plain 'ol physics!---that aikido stylists have known for a long time.,---terry

[This message has been edited by TerryhLee (edited 06-20-2004).]
[/QUOTE]

Hmm... I'm a little confused about what you are saying. Off-balancing uke is definitely stressed in any style of aikido, but I'm not sure what you mean about the eight direction. We have a single person exercise called happo undo, which is an eight direction exercise where we basically perform the ikkyo arm swing in eight directions. This is also done with a bokken, when completed with a spin and a half it's our "Bokken 1" kata.

On a seperate note, I've been "1-inch punched," essentially, from a high ranking aikido sensei about a month back. He threw me literally six to eight feet straight back, I was horizontal to the ground and the flight was awesome! I wish I could perform this feat to let my friends in on the fun [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG].

Joe

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#127656 - 06/26/04 08:59 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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Hello Joe jutsu!, sense you were kind enough to at least reply,you are most assuredly decent people in my book.Now on to the clarification you asked for:The 8-directions i am sure every aikdo stylists understands, they just dont call it the 8-directions.(You guys probably have a neat japanese name for it.)If I push (hit,pull...use FORCE,etc)--To the right of someone standing erect(Like at attention in the service), this would be their left shoulder for illustration purposes---.....they will step to the right,to catch their balance,so as to keep from falling.The same procedure on their RIGHT shoulder.(Their left leg will step out to keep from falling)so far,---thats TWO---Now the FRONT.If I push,HIT,use force,etc---directly in THE MIDDLE OF THE BODY..(And remember they are standing up straight)...the person will have to step a leg back to keep from falling.The same from THE BACK MIDDLE OF THE BODY.Now we are at 4.Imagine A CROSS-HAIR,OR PLAIN CROSS.NOW THE OTHER 4-POINTS,or points in-between those cross-hairs.These are simple ,fundamental off-balancing dynamics,that i am sure every aikido stylists know, but probably calls it something else.When Bruce Lee(Whom I admire)--would have the person STAND ERECT,AND "AT ATTENTION LIKE", and have the person grasp hard the phone book tightly to their chest,place his fist one-inch from the MIDDLE of the person's chest,....and then wail into'm!,...like you and your instructor, the person would go flying backward.Sometimes at ed parker demos of the aforementioned, their would be a chair behind the person--to catch him---well, to be honest, not taking anything from Bruce, his punching ability is legendary, but the real SECRET, behind that......is what i illustrated earlier w/the fundamental off-balancing dynamics.Bruce was aware of the physics, as are most Aikidoka(I am not an aikido expert, by the way.)But i am aware that they know this, because it is their bread-n-butter, signature style, most apparent when they practice against MULTIPLE ATTACKERS.Above the law, comes to mind.---Terry

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#127657 - 06/26/04 09:57 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe Jutsu:
Hmm... I'm a little confused about what you are saying. Off-balancing uke is definitely stressed in any style of aikido, but I'm not sure what you mean about the eight direction. We have a single person exercise called happo undo, which is an eight direction exercise where we basically perform the ikkyo arm swing in eight directions. This is also done with a bokken, when completed with a spin and a half it's our "Bokken 1" kata.

On a seperate note, I've been "1-inch punched," essentially, from a high ranking aikido sensei about a month back. He threw me literally six to eight feet straight back, I was horizontal to the ground and the flight was awesome! I wish I could perform this feat to let my friends in on the fun [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG].

Joe

[This message has been edited by Joe Jutsu (edited 06-25-2004).]
[/QUOTE]
Hey joe, I answered your post....only to see my reply disappear!?!I will wait and see if this disappears as well.If not, I will answerAGAIN,later.thanks,(This must be a technical glitch of some sort.)---Terry

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#127658 - 06/26/04 09:59 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TerryhLee:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe Jutsu:
Hmm... I'm a little confused about what you are saying. Off-balancing uke is definitely stressed in any style of aikido, but I'm not sure what you mean about the eight direction. We have a single person exercise called happo undo, which is an eight direction exercise where we basically perform the ikkyo arm swing in eight directions. This is also done with a bokken, when completed with a spin and a half it's our "Bokken 1" kata.

On a seperate note, I've been "1-inch punched," essentially, from a high ranking aikido sensei about a month back. He threw me literally six to eight feet straight back, I was horizontal to the ground and the flight was awesome! I wish I could perform this feat to let my friends in on the fun [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG].

Joe

[This message has been edited by Joe Jutsu (edited 06-25-2004).]
[/QUOTE]
Hey joe, I answered your post....only to see my reply disappear!?!I will wait and see if this disappears as well.If not, I will answerAGAIN,later.thanks,(This must be a technical glitch of some sort.)---Terry
[/QUOTE]well,my reply seems to be back again for now?...hmmm,I never was that pc saavy,does anyone know why this happens?

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#127659 - 06/28/04 08:49 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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Hey TerryHLee-

Thanks for elaborating a bit more. What you have said about the eight directions seems sort of like common sense. In my understanding of Systema, they may talk along these lines a little more than MY aikido school does. Our emphasis is more on "ups" and "downs," when applied correctly (ie in harmony with uke, gravity, and to an esoteric extent the universe)produces many of our throws. But now that I think about your post a bit more, thinking of different techniques I definitely see what you are talking about exemplified through many of our techniques, particularly in atemi waza.

Joe

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#127660 - 06/29/04 08:17 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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Hi Terry,
I am a little confused by your post but here goes an answer...I understand the eight directions. Simply if you can move in any direction with balance then you can "encourage" "uke" (your attacker) off balance. The circles come in at the same time and are everywhere, you make them with your hands, your arms, your hips and your feet dependant on the technique. For example..If someone thrusts at your stomach you could move to six of the eight directions (ie not straight forward or back). But then as well you can take the attack and lead it circuarly around you, like an equator around you at hip level. However if someone attacks you with an overhead chopping motion, you would also step out of the way but this time lead the attack circuarly from top to bottm. I hope that is two clear examples of circles being used in Aikido. I am not sure if that is the type of circles you are referring to but I hope it helps.
Stephen
PS the book "Aikido and the dynamic sphere" Is a great illustrated introduction to this idea of "cicles of neautralization."

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#127661 - 06/29/04 04:07 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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One of the easiest ways to explain circles in aikido is the ten kan, a circular step where your back leg is turned 180 degrees (this of course varies with the situation) to turn your body to face in the opposite direction. This is one of the basic circles of aikido. Others are found in the motions which your uke's limbs must travel for you to be performing the technique properly, and the idea of keeping your opponent rotating around your hara (center of mass).

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#127662 - 06/30/04 12:02 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by alfbury:
Hi Terry,
I am a little confused by your post but here goes an answer...I understand the eight directions. Simply if you can move in any direction with balance then you can "encourage" "uke" (your attacker) off balance. The circles come in at the same time and are everywhere, you make them with your hands, your arms, your hips and your feet dependant on the technique. For example..If someone thrusts at your stomach you could move to six of the eight directions (ie not straight forward or back). But then as well you can take the attack and lead it circuarly around you, like an equator around you at hip level. However if someone attacks you with an overhead chopping motion, you would also step out of the way but this time lead the attack circuarly from top to bottm. I hope that is two clear examples of circles being used in Aikido. I am not sure if that is the type of circles you are referring to but I hope it helps.
Stephen
PS the book "Aikido and the dynamic sphere" Is a great illustrated introduction to this idea of "cicles of neautralization."
[/QUOTE]Hello alf!----thanks for your very lucid post.I see now the appeal of aikido-to an even greater extent!I suspected as much that was in your post, but needed an Akido guy to properly validate my suspicions.So thanks for that!---terry p.s. Sorry guys that i am just now getting back here, I am a busy artist&Commercial Illustrator, plus I talk on the aol martial arts boards as well.Thanks for your replies.

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#127663 - 06/30/04 12:06 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by reaperblack:
One of the easiest ways to explain circles in aikido is the ten kan, a circular step where your back leg is turned 180 degrees (this of course varies with the situation) to turn your body to face in the opposite direction. This is one of the basic circles of aikido. Others are found in the motions which your uke's limbs must travel for you to be performing the technique properly, and the idea of keeping your opponent rotating around your hara (center of mass).[/QUOTE]Hello, and thanks reaper! Yes this makes sense(Your post.)To me, this is what makes Aikido so street effective---It automatically incorperates PHYSICS(science).This is a very powerful force to bring to bear on some poor soul!



[This message has been edited by TerryhLee (edited 06-30-2004).]

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#127664 - 06/30/04 12:12 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe Jutsu:
Hey TerryHLee-

Thanks for elaborating a bit more. What you have said about the eight directions seems sort of like common sense. In my understanding of Systema, they may talk along these lines a little more than MY aikido school does. Our emphasis is more on "ups" and "downs," when applied correctly (ie in harmony with uke, gravity, and to an esoteric extent the universe)produces many of our throws. But now that I think about your post a bit more, thinking of different techniques I definitely see what you are talking about exemplified through many of our techniques, particularly in atemi waza.

Joe
[/QUOTE]Hey Joe, yes science(Physics)--is common sense.I dont know what atemi waza is, ---but i am sure it is as you say.Alot of people dont realize how aikido(If the practicioner WISHED...)-----Could do some very serious damage!!!

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#127665 - 06/30/04 12:39 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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I almost forgot!----If you DRAW, on a piece of paper,the cross,w/4-in-between points-(8-points)-and make the lines roughly equal....you will find that you have made a circle.(go ahead and draw the circle around the 8-points) P.S.Thats what i like about aikido, it has "wheels w/in wheels!" p.p.s.Think of a pizza.

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#127666 - 06/30/04 01:09 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TerryhLee:
I almost forgot!----If you DRAW, on a piece of paper,the cross,w/4-in-between points-(8-points)-and make the lines roughly equal....you will find that you have made a circle.(go ahead and draw the circle around the 8-points) P.S.Thats what i like about aikido, it has "wheels w/in wheels!" p.p.s.Think of a pizza.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and I have been taught that in Japan eight directions represents all directions, i.e. a circle.

Joe

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#127667 - 07/01/04 06:20 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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something else to think about, the idea of your body in a circle is found in many martial arts and in many aspects of life. One of the symbols for medicine is a man with his arms and legs out in a star and a cirle drawn around them, this is the motion used in many styles, tai chi, capoeira, aikido, and jujitsu. Circular styles are amongst the deadliest and the most useful against multiple attackers

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#127668 - 07/01/04 11:30 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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I agree Gentlemen. What we are talking about , may seem simple to some....." a child can wade in it,---And 'seeker', can 'sink'in it!"----it can be both simple,.......and deep.

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#127669 - 07/02/04 02:58 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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my 2 cents...............when viewing a circle it has 360'.If you divide your circle into an octagon you are not using all the angles available to you. Look at the first half of the exercise where you go in 4 directions, you are working the 90', add the 8 directions and your working the 45'. But all angles exist in the circle(360)so what happened to the 36' angle or the 75' or the 120'? Knowing all angles exist, the octagon is helpful but one is missing angles to work. We employ the use of the clock, from 12(always facing you)all the way around to the 11. this increases the angles by a bit as you can work to the 1, or the 2 before moving the 3. You can also move between 1 and 2, and 2 and 3,so you create more angles in your tai sabaki. Its impossible and hard to relate to move to the 37' angle, but moving to the 1 on the clock would be close. You needn't worry where you step as long as you are alighned and as long as you are aware that the angles of the octagon are not all that there are, there are much more.

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#127670 - 07/03/04 12:31 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by senseilou:
my 2 cents...............when viewing a circle it has 360'.If you divide your circle into an octagon you are not using all the angles available to you. Look at the first half of the exercise where you go in 4 directions, you are working the 90', add the 8 directions and your working the 45'. But all angles exist in the circle(360)so what happened to the 36' angle or the 75' or the 120'? Knowing all angles exist, the octagon is helpful but one is missing angles to work. We employ the use of the clock, from 12(always facing you)all the way around to the 11. this increases the angles by a bit as you can work to the 1, or the 2 before moving the 3. You can also move between 1 and 2, and 2 and 3,so you create more angles in your tai sabaki. Its impossible and hard to relate to move to the 37' angle, but moving to the 1 on the clock would be close. You needn't worry where you step as long as you are alighned and as long as you are aware that the angles of the octagon are not all that there are, there are much more.[/QUOTE]Hello Sensei Lou!----thanks for your REPLY.And you are correct.Indeed, there are much more.from my observations, this thing can get more, and more complex as you can handel.It can also have a "not beyond approach", system about it.I like the latter.

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#127671 - 07/03/04 12:40 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by reaperblack:
something else to think about, the idea of your body in a circle is found in many martial arts and in many aspects of life. One of the symbols for medicine is a man with his arms and legs out in a star and a cirle drawn around them, this is the motion used in many styles, tai chi, capoeira, aikido, and jujitsu. Circular styles are amongst the deadliest and the most useful against multiple attackers[/QUOTE] Thats right reaper.It is my opinion that Aikido trains the person the best for multiple attackers.If the Aikido Stylist is very knowledgable,---it is the most street effective for multi-fighting........bar none.

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#127672 - 07/03/04 02:35 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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For some that might come across this board, and like the subjects that we have been talking about, but perhaps you want a few techniques.Here are some.First read&understand to your utmost ability---what we all have been discussing.ESPECIALLY what Joe has informed us , in Japan--is called the All directional Circle.What is it?, you may ask.It's lines represent force.These forces OFF-BALANCE the opponent.They can also be used to take down the opponent.For example, you can just come up behind somebody-- armed with this knowledge--grab the tops of both his shoulders.....and simply--PULL.(Towards you.)He will go down.(You can finish in whatever way your style dictates...)CONVERSELY,the opposite is also true.And think of this,.....HE CAN BE THE ONE THAT GRABS YOU.He can grab w/his left,setting you up for his right haymaker,and with this understanding-----you can manipulate that fool like a marionette.You can also GRAB HIS HAIR.(Of course long hair is best.)But keep in mind IT IS NOT JUST THE PAIN FROM THE HAIR,that will cause this to work.The most important aspect is the understanding of the all directional circle.So if a person has a high pain threshold,or is under an influence....it is the circle that will 'take up the slack'.You cant have the hair technique w/out the understanding of the circle.The two go hand in hand.They are..."Joined at the hip." Armed with both,you lock the hair, and combine that with the understanding you must have,---and you can work that attacker down.These are some simplified,practical ways for those that might come across this board.---Terry

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#127673 - 07/04/04 02:14 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by senseilou:
my 2 cents...............when viewing a circle it has 360'.If you divide your circle into an octagon you are not using all the angles available to you. Look at the first half of the exercise where you go in 4 directions, you are working the 90', add the 8 directions and your working the 45'. But all angles exist in the circle(360)so what happened to the 36' angle or the 75' or the 120'? Knowing all angles exist, the octagon is helpful but one is missing angles to work. We employ the use of the clock, from 12(always facing you)all the way around to the 11. this increases the angles by a bit as you can work to the 1, or the 2 before moving the 3. You can also move between 1 and 2, and 2 and 3,so you create more angles in your tai sabaki. Its impossible and hard to relate to move to the 37' angle, but moving to the 1 on the clock would be close. You needn't worry where you step as long as you are alighned and as long as you are aware that the angles of the octagon are not all that there are, there are much more.[/QUOTE]Hey again Lou,I almost forgot, i think of it as wheels within wheels----Like Anthony Hopkin's MASK OF ZORRO.The Master's Wheel.I think i might have made,me a pendant with lines of force,etc---and call it the "{Master's Wheel)".....like Zorro!

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#127674 - 07/04/04 05:51 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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MOVING WITHIN THE "MASTER's WHEEL"---Looking at arm movements w/in the Wheel, Strikes-to be specific.Hitting,- is proved through momentum, to be FASTER,AND MORE POWERFUL.Two Arcs...form a circle.When you lift dumbbells, the arcs of the arm are more apparent.Whenever you incorperate internally ( This means psychologically )-two arcs, in other words--a circle,into your hits...you make them faster and more powerful.The circular internal 'flight paths'--of your hits,can be small,oval patterns.To understand the science behind it,a car has to gain momentum&speed.But a car further down the road--already has speed and momentuum generated, thus it nearly blows you over as it passes speedily.You can also see this effect when you twitch your finger in circular movements(like a 0).....your finger is moving so fast that it is a BLUR TO YOU.Many people will be displaying this effect this fourth of july weekend---w/sparklers!, what is chief to keep in mind is that you can do this w/almost no effort.Like wheels on a car,Circles SIMULATE THE EFFECT OF SPEED GAINED BECAUSE OF DISTANCE.By thinking in terms of small(Or slightly bigger)--tight circles, and internalize them into your hits.....this engages the "whips of the body."

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#127675 - 07/04/04 06:06 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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Change the way you think. Don't look for circles. Ki comes from infinity and extends to infinity. If you look for cirlces it reflects whats going on in your mind.

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#127676 - 07/04/04 09:55 PM Re: Aikido circles?
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ki goes back where it came from, full circle.
Where the head goes the body must follow.
15 degrees is all the variation that is require for a throw.
if you move 45 degrees forward and tenkan your opponent should not be able to hit you, of course depending on the length of your step.
the original karate symbol is also the same kenji as it is for rice, two exes overlayed making up the eight directions.
my former aikido sensei told me that tai chi is actually the most dangerous martial art against multiple attackers, chen style.
He can be a scary man and he wouldn't mess with the tai chi fighters of asia.

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#127677 - 07/05/04 12:35 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steven:
Change the way you think. Don't look for circles. Ki comes from infinity and extends to infinity. If you look for cirlces it reflects whats going on in your mind.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry.....did we lose you?--or was you ever there? I do not need to "change the way i think".If you do not understand something, it is best to keep silent.But foolish to mock what you dont understand.My personal ways incorperate STRAIGHT ON LINEAR ATTACK(LIKE IN KARATE)....and circular movements.Think of austin power's necklace of the "man" symbol/ie: straightline connected to a CIRCLE.This is more in line w/how i think.I use both.Well people, its been fun, this has been an interesting board, but i think this thread has run it's course.Perhaps we will meet again on another thread.---Terry

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#127678 - 07/05/04 01:43 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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P.S. By the way, I know alot of you are into Mysticism,Buddism,the "universe"--etc.Thats fine.If that WORKS FOR YOU,more power to 'ya!--However, you need to know that all do not think that way.Some people have sundayschool childhood memories.They believe that if they adopt buddism for example....thats violating a commandment of God to have no other gods BEFORE Him.And TO THESE PEOPLE...this adds to the danger in a real life confrontation.And most assuredly, DOES NOT put them "AT ONE WITH THE UNIVERSE".I am at peace.I have faced numerous life threatening situations that many never will.Once a fellow bouncer outside the club had slipped in a fight,was knocked out, and when i turned the corner to see him...one of the guys was about to send a BOOT down on his face.This could kill him.There were 5-repeat-FIVE guys hovered around this knocked out bouncer.I had to take on all five.By myself.I did.successfully.Only a person truly "at one with the universe"---In my case, that means GOD.-----COULD HAVE DONE THIS.

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#127679 - 07/05/04 05:20 AM Re: Aikido circles?
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p.p.s. By the way,thanks for the reply reaper.And thanks to all that was kind enough to reply and share somethings.Some final thoughts,If there are some that come across this board, and wonder about the Universe& theology-etc,and where does fighting fit in.In my opinion,You need to base your fighting first&foremost into reality.From thence, stick strictly to science.Aikido has a strong science base.As do SOME others.But i am not one of those that believe in a strictly passive style.Thats why I practice the LINE&theCIRCLE.You need both.Offensive,DIRECT linear attack (The line)---and circular ability.As far as philosophies, if it works --fine.Me personally, i want my philosophies regarding combat, to be in harmony with the science aspect.I have no use for fantasy.Its got to work in real life, or it's useless.But thats just me!-----ok, I really enjoyed it, thanks again, and i am sure we will meet again on some other board,....at some other time!---Terry

[This message has been edited by TerryhLee (edited 07-05-2004).]

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