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#127344 - 02/20/04 01:40 PM Re: Keri waza
Joe Jutsu Offline
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In response to Lou's last post-

What you were saying about uchi deishi arranging the syllabus is the same as what I've heard. I've also heard that they were the ones to actually name the techniques, because O Sensei never did. Do you think that maybe he looked at Aikido as basically really just having one technique (kokyunage) but many different expressions and applications of this technique?

Joe

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#127345 - 02/24/04 05:46 AM Re: Keri waza
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It's a bit of a miasma really, all this "O'sensei said/did this or that" stuff. Unless we were there, who's to say what O'sensei did? Or even if he consistently said the same things at different times. Most, if not all, of us contradict ourselves quite regularly, isn't it possible, probable even, that O'sensei did as well? I also think that things have been twisted, mixed up and just plain made up by people with their own agenda to satisfy and so we can't really say with any certainty what O'sensei said, did or meant anymore.

Personally, I train not because I want to be a superman, or a "bad ass dude" or even because I want to be the best fighter on the block, but because I want to dip my toe into traditional Japanese culture and find out a little about the martial traditions of that era. So, I would feel I was being disingenuous if I started mixing other things with what I consider to be traditional arts. I would feel I was missing the point if I started worrying that my training doesn't cater for this or that, and that once I start to worry about "what if's" my training will become a chore. Consequently, I bang the drum for traditional arts and don't train kicks in my aikido. I don't believe they were a part of the samurai martial tradition. There's nothing wrong with doing so if it suits your aims, it just means your idea of aikido and mine are different.

Budo

[This message has been edited by Cato (edited 02-24-2004).]

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#127346 - 02/26/04 06:49 AM Re: Keri waza
dazzler2 Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe Jutsu:
In response to Lou's last post-

What you were saying about uchi deishi arranging the syllabus is the same as what I've heard. I've also heard that they were the ones to actually name the techniques, because O Sensei never did. Do you think that maybe he looked at Aikido as basically really just having one technique (kokyunage) but many different expressions and applications of this technique?

Joe
[/QUOTE]

Joe...that pretty much sums it up.

I've had it explained to me that Aikido is bringing female ying together with male yang to produce Ki...a child or product of this.

Before JohnL despatches me to his FCP (failed chi pushers) group I'll say that my interpretation of this is that the Ki to me is nothing more than utilising the energy of the attack and joining it with the energy of the defender to produce a greater energy.

So yes...pretty much everything is a kokyu ho nage created by combining ying with yang.

The above explanation extended to saying this bringing together of 2 energies could generate 10,000 forms (for 10,000 read infinite).

However this has been qualified by validating these movements against the bases of Shisei (posure) , Kamae (relationship), maai (distance), Irimi (entering), tenkan (turning) atemi (striking) et al.

If the bases were applied correctly then it is aikido...if not its county dancing..

D

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