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#127007 - 10/04/03 02:07 AM Descriptive names
senseilou Offline
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Registered: 10/14/02
Posts: 2082
Loc: Glendale, Az.
I have noticed in the responses that people talk about a technique, say kotegaeshi, and everyone assumes its being done the same way. There are many names for Kotegaeshi, and it comes from the 2nd level of Aiki-Jujutsu techniques called Kotemawashi. What is most important about this is the term is just a descriptive title of the waza, not the way in which the waza is done. Depending on how the lock is applied many styles can have similar locks of differing names. One art I have studied takes kotegaeshi(outward wrist turn-kote maki-te hanna-kote-otoshi what ever you want to call it. Chin Na call the techniqe "white ape worships Buddah, yet they all are not done the same)and pins the elbow on the ground/mat and presses down on the wrist. It is indeed a form of Kotegaeshi. Another style I use calls this lock a Gosseneck lock, though my gooseneck is to the side. My point here is that we are dealing with semantics, and one can say they can get out of a certain technique based on its name, yet without seeing the technique, one can not say "I can reverse this or this doesn't work on me" All techniques that wind, say kotegaeshi, can be unwound, and you get Nikkyo(another Kote Mawashi-nikajo, wing lock-gakyu kote maki etc). It can be decptive to generalize techniques by name, versus their function. Aikido Nikkyo is mainly done with a 'z' shape of the arm. Most Aikido joint locks do not go bone to bone or attack the joint but rather go 'with' the joint. Our locks always go against the joint, or bone to bone. Our version of Nikkyo, called a 'wing lock'is done with both hands at the wrist, and taken straight down and brings the attacker into a knee. This is much different than my basic Nikkyo that I learned in Aiki. Chin Na applies pressure points, grabbing tendons, and a wringing motion to its locks, they look the same, but are entirely different, with different names. Once again I think its important not to get hung up on names of techniques, but more so HOW they are applied.

#127008 - 10/05/03 08:32 AM Re: Descriptive names
Cato Offline

Registered: 10/13/02
Posts: 1636
Basically, I agree entirely. We all talk in terms of this attack and that defence and, as a recent discusion has taught me, we can be talking about very different things.

However, I think by and large most aikidoka recognise there are "common" techniques, such as kote gaeshi, that are readily recognisable between dojo and for the most part we all assume that it is the common variant that we mean unless we say otherwise. If we don't acknowledge at least some uniformity in our techniques then it will be impossible to discuss anything technical.


#127009 - 10/05/03 09:35 PM Re: Descriptive names
kempo_jujitsu Offline

Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 1914
Loc: illinois, usa
good posts.
in our practice, the wrist locks are named for the way the attackers joint moves (or doesnt move) [IMG][/IMG]....not how we do them...because there are many ways to do the same lock....what makes it the same lock is ukes position...not ours.

#127010 - 10/06/03 05:54 AM Re: Descriptive names
dazzler Offline

Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 296
Loc: England
I'll go along with this thread too.

We use 'techniques' as 'teachings' to practice Aikido bases (see previous posts...) eg. to achieve the Z shape for nikkyo we'd use irimi to bend the arm...If it doesn't bend then hijikimeosae would suffice. (oops ...assuming this means the same to might call it rokkyo) ...or elbow smashing!

That way the basic 'techniques' can have multiple variations without compromising the value of your practice.

Lou is absolutely right...don't get hung up on immobilisations.

Enjoyed the posts!




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