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#126986 - 03/03/05 05:42 PM Re: After the lock? / After the pin?
csinca Offline
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#126987 - 03/03/05 06:59 PM Re: After the lock? / After the pin?

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#126988 - 04/12/05 10:19 AM Re: After the lock? / After the pin?

Hi Chris,

I'm curious. Now that you have had a lot of time to think about this, what do you do/suggest after the pin/lock?


#126989 - 04/12/05 04:02 PM Re: After the lock? / After the pin?
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Warning, my answer is not going to be very aikido-like...

First of all, it always depends on the situation. My neighbor at a BBQ gets different treatment than the big biker dude in the airport parking garage at night, not that I have anything necessarily against big biker dudes!

In general I have changed my position a bit as I take people to the ground to allow me to be over them with posture and the option to drop knees into ribs, and various strikes and kicks. I also tend to look at pins more from a standpoint of how I would step through a particular pin to separate a joint.

As I take ukemi I look for ways to either kick nage on the way down or take their balance once I hit the ground. As I get more comfortable with grappling I am starting to see other opening to tak enage down with me.

I guess for me the pin isn't the end just because that's where most techniques stop in the dojo. I've been looking for continuations and ways to stop the continuations.


#126990 - 04/15/05 01:03 PM Re: After the lock? / After the pin?

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#126991 - 04/20/05 03:23 PM Re: After the lock? / After the pin?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by csinca:
In most of my aikido training, I have been taught that a technique ends in one of two ways: either you "throw the person away" and they roll from something like a kaiten-nage, of you control them and pin them with ikkyo into a standing pin for example.

However, I am off the belief that you probably shouldn't plan to end a street situation with a pin as there may be other people involved and at some point you have to let the pin off...

This leads to me to a couple of options in no particular order: break the limb, go down and choke them into unconsciousness, or let the pin go and run away.

I'm curious about how others might train, specifically as it translates into a self-defense or "street" situation. What kind of mindset do you have at that point?

Thanks for your input


It would depend on your situation. If you were a bouncer you'd have to get him back up and escort him outside. If you were a police officer you should put the hand cuff on him. If you're in a self defense situation you could yell for help, run, try to finish them off if you thought they might get up to continue the attack. I train to hand cuff in most situations but that may not be an option for most people. Anyway, it would depend on the situation.

#126992 - 05/04/05 06:00 AM Re: After the lock? / After the pin? [Re: csinca]
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in my class, after we have the person pinned, we do a sort of finishing blow to the head area, but it is more symbolic of the technique being finished than it is an actual part of the technique, although im sure it is a good option in a real fight.

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