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#125578 - 04/27/03 02:37 AM Re: Weapons training
senseilou Offline
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Registered: 10/14/02
Posts: 2082
Loc: Glendale, Az.
So I am guessing no one knows what a Shuchu is, and its not my dog. Beware then, the Shuchu will get you!!

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#125579 - 04/27/03 05:38 AM Re: Weapons training
raccoon Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
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Loc: Victoria BC Canada
Cato, you look oh so innocent! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/IMG] of course you weren't the devil's advocate, how could we make such horrible accusation!

BTW, if sensei lou decides to get you with his shuchu, I don't believe he will use it within kicking distance [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

Sensei Lou,
Not totally sure what a shuchu is. If it's Japanese, I have 2 guesses, both of them allows you go "get em'" at long distance.

But then I don't really think you are into woowoo stuff such as ki extension and NTKO, so I really only have one guess left. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

-raccoon

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#125580 - 04/28/03 01:24 AM Re: Weapons training
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Ok I'll let the the secret out. A Shuchu is an Okinawan Weapon, that looks like a Kubotan, cut in half lenth-wise. The flat part of the Shuchu sits in your palm, there is a point at the bottom, and squared off at the top. There is a 1" handle at the the top that fits between your fingers. You can spin the Shuchu so the point is at the top. It is mostly concealed in your hand and has about 5 sharp edges on it. There is a key ring at the top so you attach your keys to it, similar to a kubotan but this one, once mastered, can spin in your hand. What is so neat about this, I have been searched, scanned and gone through metal detectors, and have never had it taken away, and yes, it has been on planes as well, it doesn't resemble a weapon, but a strange keychain. Once you practice with it, you can apply serious pain with it, as you use the sharp edges on different target areas. Thats a Shuchu

[This message has been edited by senseilou (edited 04-28-2003).]

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#125581 - 05/06/03 04:14 AM Re: Weapons training
Cato Offline
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Similar in many respects to a GSD then, Lou [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Once you've mastered that you can do an awful lot of damage to someone.

Budo

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#125582 - 05/07/03 01:34 AM Re: Weapons training
cerckert Offline
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Registered: 04/24/03
Posts: 6
Loc: Huntington, NY, United States
I think weapons training is important to learn the capabilities of the weapon so as to understand what an attacker is capable of if that weapon is in their possesion. The better you know you enemy the better you can evalauate the situation.

Also on a more speculative note: after training with various weapons you are falmilar with how to hold and attack with them. With this knowledge, after the attacker discloses their weapon based on their first noticable technique characteristics you could tell if your dealing with a trained killer or a nija turtle wanna be.

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#125583 - 05/08/03 10:13 PM Re: Weapons training
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Registered: 04/09/03
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I'm just writing to brag, sort of... I just had a great weapons class, we were working on jo nage. It's probably been a year and a half since I first worked on these throws. Several students, myself included, were amazed at how powerful the throws are. And the moves are just like the unarmed versions, same movement but with a jo. So from a physics standpoint, I guess this makes sense because a longer lever arm (the jo)is at work. I didn't learn the full names of the techniques, but they were basically just zenpou nage, kiri kaeishi, and something resembling a shihonage, I believe (excuse my spelling, but these maybe foreign names compared to what you know, but this is being discussed in a different thread anyway). So while tonight's weapons class may not have been the most practical "on the street" type of practice session, it was a blast, and certainly not a "complete waste of time."

Joe

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#125584 - 05/05/04 04:22 AM Re: Weapons training
Aikiscotsman Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 22
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Aikido without Aikiken and Aikijo is only Taijutsu not Aikido. There is a very very spesific reason why the founder devised all these jujitsu tech with traditional weapons schools to develop Aikido. it was not a case of he developed Aikido and put some weapons in to it after there is no Aikido without the three ways taijutsu, aikiken, aikijo.
Unfortunatly there where a lot of students who never got to see or study any or very little of the founders Aikiken,Aikijo. So many incorparated other martial systems in to there taijutsu so they have got somthing very different.

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#125585 - 05/05/04 05:47 AM Re: Weapons training
Aikiscotsman Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 22
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Its quite funny to here people ask if weapons can help technique in aikido, when Weapons are Aikido think of the triangle, three points taijutsu,jo,ken the three levels of maai and the three principles of aikido hanmi(from ken). kokyu , awaze

I feel so sorry for all the people out there who have been cheated in there Training by only learning aiki taijutsu. There is absolutly no difference between moving empty handed and moving with ken and jo they are one and the same

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#125586 - 06/15/04 07:25 AM Re: Weapons training
Robaikido Offline
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Registered: 04/27/04
Posts: 158
Loc: Wales
The ju jutsu class that follows ours use bottles, knives and baseball bats, more suitable to todays weapon attacks, but, when i watched 1 of their classes, the techniques used were the same

alot of kotegashi, all techiques which I would use myself for defense.

So I guess you are learning the principles of defense, empty handed or armed, the weapon being used is acedemic, as the principles are the same.

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#125587 - 06/21/04 02:37 AM Re: Weapons training
reaperblack Offline
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Registered: 04/30/04
Posts: 558
Loc: Victoria, BC, Canada
all weapons can be divided into short weapons and long weapons. it doesn't matter if it is a bo, jo, bat, mop, sword, whatever. This is one of the best advantages that aikido has is the generality, too many martial arts spend too much time practising specifics. There is no time to figure out the exact make up of a weapon in combat, it needs to be instict. Sure the motions are the same in aikido (if the nage knows how to attack properly) but the distance can be shortened without a weapon. A yokoman (sorry about the spelling) isn't the same as a bat swing, the motion is. But without the weapons practise technique becomes sloppy you know a hand won't cut you when some does a tsuki but if they are holding a 12 inch knife you make realize that they just slit your wrist, because you entered to straight rather than reaching across.
Aikido is based on weapons defenses, because they are worst case scenario, if you can handle that you cand deal with a drunk and a beer bottle!!(shomen)

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