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#122477 - 12/07/04 09:02 PM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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Kylejustkyle gets it, good post.
Those of you who want to try to strike and not sprawl or learn other mechanicaly effective techniques, learn to fall really really really well.

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#122478 - 12/19/04 05:36 AM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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take a sidekick to there head it will nudge them back or a jumping/exchange front snap kick/front rising kick/flying high kick. when you land get them with a punch/back hand strike that will defenately if you have enough power take THEM down

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#122479 - 12/19/04 10:15 AM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Matthewmacintyre:
take a sidekick to there head it will nudge them back or a jumping/exchange front snap kick/front rising kick/flying high kick. when you land get them with a punch/back hand strike that will defenately if you have enough power take THEM down [/QUOTE]

I hate to revisit this thread, but this is a really bad answer. If the guy's just rushing you a head sidekick might work, but why meet force with force? When you execute the side kick you're on one leg, if the guy has any mass to him the impact will also put you badly off balance, possibly grounding you. If he manages to deflect your kick you're on the ground for sure, probably starting off in side or back mount.

Against a skilled takedown attempt it just won't work. By the time you see him dropping level/approaching for the shoot and start raising your leg for the kick, he's going to be close enough to stuff your kick attempt or just grab your leg outright. You've given him the takedown.

I'm not sure what your second answer is, I wish martial artists and their schools would agree to some form of standardized vocabulary. It sounds to me like a jumping kick of some sort? He's lower than you, his head level is about your waist level. He's also almost close enough to reach his arms around and warp around your legs. You don't have the space to do a full jump kick of any sort, and by jumping you've just guaranteed your takedown again. He doesn't even have to wrap your legs well, just drive through. You could try a jumping knee, but then his forward momentum will probably put you on the ground anyway.

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#122480 - 12/25/04 05:21 PM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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most school in my area teach HAPKIDO as while as TAE KWON DO and hapkido truly do work good in close up fighting, i,m also started taking judo been in it for about two year and i think i,m rounding myself off pretty good. like tacobill said cross training is a good ideal each martial arts have there own move that work in different way`s. hapkido is good if you get grab, tak kwon do is good for more than one attacker judo is good when someone grab you and as while as helping out when ur on the ground so cross training is the key.

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#122481 - 12/25/04 05:45 PM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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I don't get in here very often but this thread got my interest.

In my opinion, it is just short of pure fantasy to imagine you can precision kick a grappler who is in the middle of a double leg shot. Also, the flying knee is not effective when you are unable to initiate. It requires forward drive, something you will not have in this situation.

Learn to sprawl, period. Learn to clinch, period. These skills will allow you to at least deny a grappler an easy prey.

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#122482 - 12/25/04 07:05 PM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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lol funny story, this is NOT what you should do in that situation: guy tried to tackle me once before i knew any training, and i just grabbed his throat and hung on for dear life. kinda funny cause it worked but i was really really really lucky to even get a hold of it and keeping it.

anywho, i use the SPEAR stuff for tackles, or you could sprawl, i've used that before. or you could do a straight side step, but only if your quick at 3 ft away. Another one i've used is a back/side angled step and then hinging on it while pushing the dude out of the way.

just whatever works for you, if you can do a liu kang flying kick and work it in that situation, then by all means, MORTAL KOMBAT!

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#122483 - 12/25/04 07:24 PM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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I think to often we assume TKD is all about using our feet. Punches, elbows, and knee strikes are part of the system as well as basic restraint and takedown techniques. However, it doesn't hurt to cross train in styles that better deal with certain situations better than others. I believe TKD can defend well against the tackle in initial stage but if the attacker gets his arms around you and you start to go down it becomes a different fight from there.

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#122484 - 12/25/04 08:30 PM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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Any trained fighter should be able to handle a "tackle" by an untrained person rushing at them.
The bigger concern is when a semi-skilled or skilled person who goes for a takedown.
Tackling and takedown are not the same thing, they are very different animals.

Just reread the title of the thread-should be able to throw your tea cup at them [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif[/IMG]

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#122485 - 12/25/04 10:14 PM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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Train in Hapkido. Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido techniques were originally taught side by side, they're meant to work that way.

A warrior should be skilled in combat at all ranges. If you have weaknesses your enemies can take advantage of them.

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#122486 - 12/26/04 10:27 AM Re: tea kwon do vs tackling/take downs
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Subedei:
Train in Hapkido. Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido techniques were originally taught side by side, they're meant to work that way. [/QUOTE]

There is a hapkido school next the taekwondo school I used to train at, oh and a kumdo (the Korean equivalent of kendo) school a few doors further down. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] (Really! Then again this is in an affluent part of Daejeon)

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