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#122009 - 09/25/04 09:20 AM TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
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this is not saying that TKD is crap and it is not saying that Karate is the best.

i am just so sick and tired of TKD practitioners saying that TKD has every hand move that Karate has. i guess this depends on the Karate style, but in Kyokushin TKD does not have all the arm moves that we have.

these are all of the hand positions that we use in Kyokushin and how many DIFFERENT strikes each of the position has

- seiken ( front fist, normal fist )
- uraken ( back fist , has 4 different moves for it)
-tettsui ( hammer fist, has 5 different moves for this position)
-haisho ( back of hand, 3 different moves)
- haito ( inner knife hand, has 3 different moves)
- shotei ( the palm )
- hiraken ( flat fist, has 2 different strikes)
-shuto (knife hand like Karate Chop, has 6 different moves for this hand position
- Toho ( like choke position)
-Yon Nukite ( four finger spear hand, 2 strikes)
- Nihon nukite ( 2 fingers, eye gouge)
- ippon nukite ( 1 finger strike)
- Keiko ( bird beak like Kung Fu )
- Hitosashiyubi ippon ken ( forefinger knuckle fist)
-nakayubi ipppon ken ( middle finger knuckle fist )
-oyabi ippon ken ( thunb knuckle fist, has 5 strikes)
- ryuto-ken ( dragon head fist)
koken ( top of wrist, has 4 moves for this hand position)
-kote ( forearm, has 4 strikes)
hiji (elbow, has 6 strikes for the elbow)

they are the only ones i can remember , if TKD has all these techniques i will be very impressed.

this topic was not about flaming TKD, BUT i was just trying to clear it up that TKD does not have all of the hand techniques that karate does.

oh yea lol here are the foot positions for karates kicks

-Chusoku ( ball of the foot)
-haisoku ( top of the foot)
-teisoku ( arch of foot)
-hiza (knee)
-kakato(heel)
-sokuto ( ouyside knife edge of the foot)
-sune (shin) they are the basic foot positions i believe that in the 2nd - 3rd dan stuff there are singular toe kicks lol.

our front kick uses chusoku, groin kick uses haisoku, and back kick uses kakato (just some examples).

hey just a question does TKD have knee attacks???

oh and with ur reply could someone please give me a full list of TKD hand POSITIONS not the actaull strikes and the foot positions.

thank you for ur time

-cheers

p.s this was not saying that TKD was bad, so no1 get offended

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#122010 - 09/26/04 02:32 AM Re: TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
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feel free 2 reply lol

-cheers

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#122011 - 09/26/04 08:30 AM Re: TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
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I would like to point out that though TKD doesn't, in your oppinion, not have all of the hand strikes of Karate, neither does Karate. There are so many different style of Karate out there that between them there is individuality in their supply of hand strikes. TKD does have all of the hand strikes foung in Shotakon.

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#122012 - 09/26/04 12:10 PM Re: TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
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I'm sorry, which of those hand strikes did you think TKD did not have?

Tell you right now, after looking at the list, you are wrong. EVERYTHING you listed, not only appears in TKD, also appears in other MAs.

Imagine that. There are only so many ways a human can punch and more than one MA covers it.

Weird.

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#122013 - 09/26/04 07:52 PM Re: TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
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well i have 3 friends that are over black belt in TKD and they all said that TKD does not have finger or single nuckle strikes.

and also could u plz give me a list of all the TKD HAND POSITIONS (not the actual strike but the position, because each of the positions that I listed has multiple attacks to it)

also does TKD have knee attacks????

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#122014 - 09/26/04 08:01 PM Re: TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
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Um, are we trying to make a point here? Warrior_james, would it kill you to live and let live?

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#122015 - 09/26/04 09:25 PM Re: TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
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Imagine that. There are only so many ways a human can punch and more than one MA covers it.
That says it all Random.

Warrior,
how long have you been in the Martial Arts?

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#122016 - 09/27/04 02:22 AM Re: TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
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yes i am trying to prove a point, duh im saying that TKD does not have all the karate hand moves.

jesus christ can u guys stay on topic and try to answer the question because at the moment u are all saying these pointless lines and quotes to try and make me appear the fool.

can i please have a list of all the TKD hand positiona and does TKD have knee attacks, plz just answer the question.

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#122017 - 09/27/04 08:01 AM Re: TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
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Registered: 03/24/03
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Hi warrior_james:

Noted your post and the point you're trying to proved has very little validity.

"yes i am trying to prove a point, duh im saying that TKD does not have all the karate hand moves."

Wrong. They have exactly the same.

"jesus christ can u guys stay on topic and try to answer the question because at the moment u are all saying these pointless lines and quotes to try and make me appear the fool."

You don't need any help to appear foolish.

"can i please have a list of all the TKD hand positiona and does TKD have knee attacks, plz just answer the question."

Yes TKD guys use knees. No I can't be bothered to list hand positions. It's a pointless exercise as they're the same as karate.

Try to stop thinking of things as style specific and assume that the human body can only do certain things. In all styles they do the same things with variations based on grappling, striking, etc. These are different goals rather than style specifics.

JohnL

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#122018 - 09/27/04 08:13 AM Re: TKD DOES NOT HAVE EVERY HAND STRIKE IN KARATE
Anonymous
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so if this is true (the hand thing) then Karate is the same as TKD.

but then y do more Karatekas win fights (between karate and TKD), it must be how TKD and Karate is practiced.

they must use different fighting practice.

oh and JohnL if TKD has so many hand techniques then y dont they use them when fighting??
are these techniques a waste of time??
(at my dojo we practice all the techniques in fighting).
and also just wondering in all the TKD fights that i have seen y dont they knee each other?? (might just b the fights that i have see but an art like TKD focuses on kicks and legs and they are ignoring knee attacks it just seems strange to me.

and just wondering from ur description and the internets (researched TKD techniques lol) TKD is a complete striking style. but y dont they elbow?? can they or is it against competition rules???

p.s or all the TKD ppl out there plz dont take this like i am flaming TKD cause im not, i am just uninformed about TKD and by these questions i am hoping to learn more

-cheers

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