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#121475 - 07/06/04 03:47 AM So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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http://www.ashleybeck.com/Video/ash_sampler_2.mpg

impressive to look at for sure, but the only real application i can see is the sheer speed skills.

surely not tournament or sparring material?

what do you think?

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#121476 - 07/06/04 04:45 AM Re: So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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It takes a lot of skill to produce those movements and I am very impressed, but try using any of that in a dark alley way on hard uneven surfaces, even ice, a bar or a club. Definately not for tournament fighting because of the energy you need to pull off those stunts. It certainly looks very entertaining but for practicality purposes a no no. The kip up I think would be the most practical as it helps you get off the ground quicker.

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#121477 - 07/06/04 04:28 PM Re: So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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Do you guys concider that Marial Arts? I think it's more Gymnastics than anything else; but then again I guess that's the direction martial arts is headed.

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#121478 - 07/06/04 06:06 PM Re: So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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i would say its a form of martial art...somehow, not sure how but theres definately a strong element

it has to be a solo discipline tho as sparring would just result in collisions [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

but i agree with the gymnastics statement.

a good tool for illustrating kick potential

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#121479 - 07/06/04 09:14 PM Re: So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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I think that many Japanese masters may consider this "kaho," or the "Flower method." Very impressive and has some merit. Balance, timing, flow, stretch, strength, and dedication are all shown here. Application to a fight...no, but it does show some important qualities that are applicable to a fight. More and more people are getting into this type of stuff, but in my opinion it goes against the principles of modesty set forth in martial arts. "Martial" means of or having to do with military, thus dealing with real-world fighting, so I would say that this is not martial arts. I just stick to the KISS Method--Keep It Simple...Stupid! But, that's just my opinion.

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#121480 - 07/06/04 09:41 PM Re: So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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It was cute. Real world applications----negative.

Raul

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#121481 - 07/12/04 10:21 PM Re: So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slayr:
I think that many Japanese masters may consider this "kaho," or the "Flower method." Very impressive and has some merit.[/QUOTE]


Well put, you've put this into a better perspective for me by saying that. It makes me think of seeing someone use a bo staff. I think its the Japanese that use the bo staff in a flowery, and showman type, and it's the chinese that use it in a more direct to the point manner. Both are martial arts, with their own distinct features. Also, both can be used if necessary.

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#121482 - 07/13/04 12:47 AM Re: So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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Tomuch on the gymnastics,& less on selfdefrense,But those who think that's selfdefense are living in LALA land. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

[This message has been edited by Isshinryukid4life (edited 07-13-2004).]

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#121483 - 07/13/04 01:29 PM Re: So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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I don't know, but if you got kicked in the head with one of those I think you would go down pretty quickly. You have to figure that if he launched into some wild acrobatics like that on the street there is a good chance that his opponent would not know what was coming at him or how to defend against it. If he had the element of surprise it could be devestating. On the other hand, if his leg got trapped it would probably be all over for him.

BTW: Thanks, the video is cool as hell!

[This message has been edited by neckbreaker (edited 07-13-2004).]

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#121484 - 07/15/04 10:53 PM Re: So is it showing off? or does this have an application?
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That's the dumbest thing I have ever seen. For two reasons:
1) I have cheerleader friends and gymnast friends who could do that
2) I would love to spar some jackass that thinks he's going to hit me w/ aerials.

There is no sense in any of those moves or kicks. Anyone who devotes 6 or more years to gymnastics and is physically fit and takes it seriously can pull off those stunts. It's stupid and not MA. Sure, I would like to be able to do that stuff, but I wouldn't try to pass it off as fighting. It looks kinda like that Brazilian style...

Anyway, I think people like "Ashley Beck" are ruining people's mindsets of MA and make every kid think that's the purest form of Karate and that anyone who cannot do a bunch of worthless stunts is not a good martial artist. It's great to be flexible and have skills like that but I believe they should be put towards practical things.

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