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#121363 - 06/28/04 06:14 AM why teakwondo consists of little grappling
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I have been training tkd for 10 years. For the period of 10 years, i have been training with other teakwondo associations and also with some military students. As I have been practising this art, I noticed that there is not a single grappling method. Why?

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#121364 - 06/28/04 07:35 AM Re: why teakwondo consists of little grappling
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Grapplin wasn't popular until Gracie brought it her a few years back in the UFC.

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#121365 - 06/28/04 08:50 AM Re: why teakwondo consists of little grappling
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Vicky

That may be TKD current incarnation.

But back in the 70's and 80's TKD had soem to alot of grappling--depending on which school.

Most (most NOT all) of current TKD seems (seems NOT is) geared for Olympic type sparring where grappling is not allowed.

Kinda the same reason most judo schools don't teach strikeing much anymore (an dthey used too)--its not used in competiton.

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#121366 - 06/28/04 01:52 PM Re: why teakwondo consists of little grappling
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that is why i wrestle for my school it teaches grappling and i train in tae kwon do for striking

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#121367 - 06/29/04 12:48 PM Re: why teakwondo consists of little grappling
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cxt:

Vicky

That may be TKD current incarnation.

But back in the 70's and 80's TKD had soem to alot of grappling--depending on which school.

Most (most NOT all) of current TKD seems (seems NOT is) geared for Olympic type sparring where grappling is not allowed.

Kinda the same reason most judo schools don't teach strikeing much anymore (an dthey used too)--its not used in competiton.
[/QUOTE]

I never saw any Korean schools in the 70-80 that had grappling? It didn't get POPULAR until Gracie brought it out of the closet in the UFC. I"m sure, to cover my ass that there were a few schools around but nothing like it is today.

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#121368 - 06/29/04 02:29 PM Re: why teakwondo consists of little grappling
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Maybe the Koreans looked to some other art for their grappling and so they practised striking seperately.
http://victory44709.tripod.com/koreangrappling/

http://www.koreangrappling.com/
http://members.tripod.com/koreangrappling/index.htm

(IMHO)

[This message has been edited by Lokkan-Do (edited 06-29-2004).]

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#121369 - 06/29/04 05:07 PM Re: why teakwondo consists of little grappling
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Schanne

Kinda depends on what you consider "grappling".

I trained a a TKD school in the late 70's and there was a a pretty large grouping of throws, takedowns, joint locks, projections etc.

Grappling as in say collage wrestling or Greco-Roman or ground fighting or Garcie "stuff" no, not much.

About the same with the karate I study--most of it contains what I consider to be "grappling" application and training.

I don't know--close enough for a general statemen.

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#121370 - 06/29/04 11:54 PM Re: why teakwondo consists of little grappling
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TKD we do has grappling too.

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#121371 - 06/30/04 01:12 AM Re: why teakwondo consists of little grappling
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I think TKD does have grappling, it's just "by proxy". By that, I mean that TKD's forms have been heavily influenced by karate, with TKD copying some kata move-for-move. Within these kata are numerous grappling applications but, unfortunately, most TKD instructors aren't aware of this and don't have any knowledge of the grappling applications of their forms and so it just doesn't get taught. A great shame really.

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#121372 - 06/30/04 07:30 AM Re: why teakwondo consists of little grappling
schanne Offline
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CXT,
Grappling: on the ground wrestling, arm bars, chokes, leg locks, from the guard, from the half guard, ankle cranks, wrist locks and so on...this stuff was never tought to us back in 70-80's. A matter of fact I will bet the majority of traditional MA's never heard of it or saw it's applications until Gracie and the others brought to the USA through the UFC.

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