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#121254 - 06/27/04 05:27 AM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
kiwi Offline
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I've had trouble with some of the smaller quicker guys, who have very fast counters. Every time I through a kick they spin round with that back kick and keep you out. I find the best thing to do is aim a front leg side kick at there hip, when they go for the back kick it will knock them off balance and I usually rush inw ith punches but seeing as it is olympic a kick or body punches would suffice.

In this situation I am a fair bit taller then the person I'm fighting (This technique is used alot at world champ level however the people who use it are usually taller). If you are the same height and he has faster kicks and better combos then u need to train harder and get faster.

by the way I can name a host of 6th and 7th dans that I could beat in point sparring. You don't get hihg ranks in TKD by winning tornaments so rank has shit all to do with point fighting ability.

[This message has been edited by kiwi (edited 06-27-2004).]

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#121255 - 06/27/04 09:00 PM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
Uriel Offline
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Now KIWI has brains.

Yes. Use distance to keep the smaller quicker fighter away. Since you are a blackbelt I'll give you a tip to go along with Kiwi's tip.

Even if you have to strike an area that isn't a "scroing target" do it. That means if you want to check his distance and his hip isn't open, smash a sidekick into his arm. He will change up or start to raise the arm enough to stuff into the hip.

The kick into the hip can also be used to set up a 45 kick to the body or a back kick to the body.

This was termed as a "cut-kick". It really isn't a pure sidekick; almost a front kick mixed with a side kick.

But when in doubt, just use a side kick.

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#121256 - 06/27/04 11:04 PM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Uriel:
...The kick into the hip can also be used to set up a 45 kick to the body or a back kick to the body...
[/QUOTE]

Uriel is right but what I like to do is fake a rear leg round kick but change it to a cut kick placing my foot on the opponents hip and using them as a supporter I jump off my other foot and execute a jump back kick to the helmet. I use this but because this is a knock out technique, only use it durring competions where Knockuots are allowed. This kick is the easier form of a 360 jump back kick. Also, when some one is rushing you stop him with a cut kick and then do a 45 round kick with other leg.

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#121257 - 06/27/04 11:54 PM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
Uriel Offline
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right which is also the same set up to the backkick to the body instead of head. but if you got it, use it.

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#121258 - 06/28/04 05:27 PM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
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I called him sensei because I have been doing Japanese styles for five years now, he was Norm to me. As far as the statement about point sparring and having nothing to do with rank, I would agree with this. I have sparred with a few sandans who didn't even touch me. I also use the kicking technique that you are discussing of kicking to the lead hip, although mine is a little more like a push kick. I never saw anyone beat Norm, but he was more of a full contact fighter, as am I. The idea behind this stance is to stand in it until your opponent is dumb enough to attack, and then counter. Not stand there all day. Most of your opponents are not patient enough to wait for you all damn day. I spar in a cross between a karate and a tkd stance, because it suits my needs and abilities. Shallow stance with my hands in a shuto position ( but with closed fists). I teach sparring to children and seldom lose to advanced belts, but this is still a posture that I teach, because it makes your opponent have to work for it. Yes it is basic, but basics are what work in most situations. That is why they are taught first and you are supposed to practise them for life.

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#121259 - 06/28/04 07:16 PM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
Uriel Offline
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At international level...hell at even national level that stance should only work briefly. If you curl up in it, you will be taken apart.

Maybe you and norm should get out and fight more [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

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#121260 - 06/29/04 12:01 AM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
kiwi Offline
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Wouldn't a full contact fighter think the raising the leg idea even more ridiculous the point sparrers? I mean it's a poor technqiue in point sparring but in full contact it's suicidal.

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#121261 - 06/29/04 03:56 PM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
reaperblack Offline
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I think that you need to work on your balance if you think that raising your leg is suicidal, I have stopped many attacks from a chambered position, as well as landing many side kicks this way. As far as Norm goes, it is very Rude to insult my former master, especially when you know nothing about him. If you did you wouldn't say such things. I will not give you his real name cause that would be very disrespectful, but lets just say if you were half the fighter he is you would have a room full of trophies.

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#121262 - 06/29/04 04:20 PM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
reaperblack Offline
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Ps kiwi I told you that I don't spar this way. Two posts ago. But this is a very easy position to be in to jam a kick.

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#121263 - 06/29/04 11:51 PM Re: Any Olympic sparring tips On fast Guy?
Uriel Offline
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A) Every jackass that went to an MA tourny has a room full of trophies.

B) If you just stand on one leg, you will get your ass kicked by anyone good.

C) Why do you feel the need to bash Kiwi? I don't recall him saying anything about your "master".

D) Blah blah blah.

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