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#120165 - 11/27/03 05:44 PM Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business
yasha hime Offline

Registered: 11/12/03
Posts: 24
Loc: Australia
In my club, it is required that you are loyal. This basically seems to mean that you should not train with any other club (as a student) or any other Martial Art (while learning TKD). Do you think this has come about by age old tradition and respect, but now is a good way to keep your money flowing into this particular club? What is everyone's opinion?

yasha hime

#120166 - 11/27/03 08:59 PM Re: Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business

I have joined a MA school, not a cult.I may respect my instructors opinion and advice but I have not given up my free will or ability to make decisions for myself.
If I choose to study another art, I may ask his opinion about which art would be good,may listen to him if he advises I might need stronger background in original art before learning another. Would never allow him to tell me I cannot study anything else or crosstrain with others.

#120167 - 11/27/03 09:14 PM Re: Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business
yasha hime Offline

Registered: 11/12/03
Posts: 24
Loc: Australia
Good points Neko, thanks for your reply.

#120168 - 11/30/03 11:56 AM Re: Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business
Bossman Offline

Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 1785
Loc: Chatham Kent UK
Chiding me for cross training my Japanese Instructor once said to me "you should only have one master" and I replied "I have..... me.... and I'll train where I choose!"

#120169 - 11/30/03 02:02 PM Re: Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business

Instuctors that demand loyalty are obviously either very insecure or control freaks. I train where and with whom I choose.

I have had students ask advice about cross training. If I think it will be good for them I say so. If I think not, I say so and say why and then leave the decision to them. It has never caused a problem.

#120170 - 11/30/03 04:13 PM Re: Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business
elleTKD Offline

Registered: 11/06/03
Posts: 236
Loc: USA
i use this forum to gain insight into other arts, and my master is well aware that i am looking. he encourages it, because he wants me to grow as a martial artist. there is nothing disloyal in that.

#120171 - 12/02/03 04:15 AM Re: Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business
Big Bear Offline

Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 1068
Loc: Northern Ireland
my last tkd instructor was very wary of me going to another class as i think he would be worried that i would leave tkd for it. (wasn't the most exciting class 2b honest). The new class i am in state in their rules that as long as you don't disrespect tkd then you are ok.

If you consider that there are 3 fighting ranges, punching, grappling and kicking, normally 1 art doesn't cover all three in depth so it is necessary to cross train.

I study tkd so that covers my kicking range (hardly and grappling) with a little punching. And also jkd which works more punching and grappling than kicking. So for me it is necessary that my tkd club would understand this.

I think you will find that it is in the more tradional martial arts that this is a problem. However it is not for the tradionalist's reason. Let me explain. In past times, the one master etc would have been the statement (as bossman stated was his Sensei's opinion). Nowadays i find think that this wouldn't be as accepted by students. I think that some instructors (definately the mcDojo ones) would forbid students from cross training because they might lose their custom. Totally unfair and unacceptable.

I'm not saying all instructors are like this though.

#120172 - 12/18/03 12:31 PM Re: Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business
NeinWunOne Offline

Registered: 08/26/03
Posts: 36
Loc: Seattle, Washington
Respect and loyalty is a two-way street - it is earned, not demanded.

Since my sabumnim was studied and participated in several martial arts in his youth, he generally encourages everyone who has reached 1st Dan to branch out and expand on what we learn. Occasionally, he will teach material outside the realm of traditional taekwondo (such as haedong-gumdo, wrestling, boxing, hapkido) and mix it in with 'the usual stuff'.

This also keeps everyone very interested and it really challenges everyone to learn things that are completely new. I think this helps us understand that TKD is not the "best" or "worst" or "only good" (etc etc..) martial art, and that it is just that, a martial art - and it is just one of many ways that explify the culture and study of martial arts.

#120173 - 01/23/04 08:45 AM Re: Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business
Shaolinboy Offline

Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 256
Loc: England
I am currently practicing Kung Fu and I would love to study other Arts. But I think I want to concentrate more on Kung Fu before I start learning anything else! I am quite interested in Wushu, Aikido, Judo, maybe some more Kung Fu styles such as Wing chun which fascinates me.
My instructor has practice many diffrent styles himself so I guess he has no problem with us learning other Styles! If you look at other styles you will notice similar techniques, but maybe different approaches to how they're taught.

#120174 - 01/23/04 03:02 PM Re: Club and Art Loyalty - Tradition or Business
badmamajama Offline

Registered: 11/06/03
Posts: 1509
whats this master crap, i call no man master.i will say mister but not master,i dont care if others call 5th degree dan master but i will call no man master and im white.but having said that dont stay with anyclub that tells u where you can or cannot train its your life your money your choice period.

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